in 5/4, Is there a notation option that offers a solution to have both a dotted half tied to a half and also break up these eighths in to groups of 2? at the moment it seems that it is either or. Wondering if this can be added in the future.
I know you can add local time sigs but it would be nice to a have a global option.
Try setting your time signature to [1+1+1+1+1]/4 and then setting this, in Notation Options > Beam Grouping:
what happens when you tie the first measure tho?
Yeah, that’s a problem.
Maybe someone else knows a better solution.
From the description, I would have thought that that notation option should work even in regular 5/4.
A lot of options in Dorico, when reading their description in the option panels carefully, don’t seem to do exactly as promised, but I think this is most prominent in Notation options. I hope that those will be up for revision soon (not just the descriptions but the options themselves as well). I believe there is currently no way to achieve what @bmoriak wants without either using force duration for tied notes or manual beam breaking. Charles_piano has a workaround in post #8!
Hei, jeg synes dette er korrekt. Prøv å presisere grupperingen: 3+2 eller 2+3 = 5/4
Force duration keeps the dotted half tied to half.
It seems to work with an agregate Time Signature 3/4:2/4 together with this Notation Option:
You can enter this TS from bar 2 and hide it, and enter a normal 5/4 in the first bar, using force duration.
Here is another example that shows that if, like other programmes, Dorico wrote what it was told to write without correcting it afterwards, it would be less of a headache and everything would be for the best in the best of all possible worlds.
I once requested the possibility to disable these groupings in the options (It is mainly grouping notes options that often cause problems), without it being equivalent to a ‘force duration’, and I believe that Dorico would gain in transparency for many users. May be in Dorico 7 ?
With regard to the eighth notes, if Dorico applied no heuristics at all, what would you expect to see? 10 individual eighth notes?
No Aaron.
I admit that the problem raised here is not the best one; I was mainly referring to grouping notes options, which replace single notes with tied notes (all new users of Dorico have experienced this), and which involve trial and error adjustments. Whether in Finale or Sibelius, when you ask for a quarter note, you get a quarter note and not two tied eighth notes…
Folks that want Dorico to behave like Finale can just turn on Force Duration and leave it on. Of course that precludes taking advantage of some of Dorico’s capabilities, but it does save one angst waiting for Dorico to enable an “I can read your mind” capability.
Of course. But some members said that leaving Force Duration enabled at all times could significantly affect Dorico’s spacing calculations. True? False? I don’t know, but if so, what we gain on one side we lose on the other. In any case, I don’t see the point of software with an automatic spell checker; on my iPhone, I’ve disabled predictive text because it types in impossible things (“Jean” instead of “Je’”, “laisser” instead of “lasser”, “pédalo” au lieu de “pedago” etc.).
And then, it’s not about “reading my mind”, but doing what you’re asked to do: if I type a quarter note, I want to get a quarter note, that’s all.
I do so hope that you are in the minority.
OK, it’s not perfect, but I find Dorico’s context awareness saves so much time over previous software.
No doubt, no doubt.
Except for many “émigrants” in Dorico (MakeMusic bankruptcy). See the numerous posts on this subject over the past year…
I railed against this when I started using Dorico, but I soon got over it. There are pros and cons, but I think it’s just part of learning a new piece of software.
I agree Aaron.
But I like to offer some criticism sometimes because, as this forum is read by the development team, it helps to improve the product.
For example, I was one of the first to regret the absence of cutaway scores in Dorico 5 and… we got it in version 6, beyond our expectations, and alongside other amazing things.
And I happily used Finale for decades, right from its beginning, but I began to switch to Dorico as soon as it came out (knowing how long it took to become adept at Finale), and I’d prefer to see the Dorico Team follow their road map rather than backtracking too much to make Dorico more like Finale for those who want to “eat their cake and have it too” [to use the original quote].
please, calm down, and read what I have written !
I never said I wanted Dorico to be like Finale. Incidentally, I am not a former ‘finalist’.
With all due respect, there are forum posts asking for cutaway scores as far back as 2021.
