96k Atmos in N14

I’ve asked many times, but still no response…
What is the timeline for 96k Atmos on Nuendo 14? Very far behind and very much needed. PT, Resolve and Pyramix are all capable already.
Thanks. Michael

When Dolby made the push for Atmos for music I very much wish they had given the 44.1khz option!

And why is that?
The only reason why 44.1khz überhaupt exisist is for “protecting” the cd format. There is (AFAIK) no other audio delivery format that requires 44.1kHz. Our House Master Clock has been in 48kHz since Napoleon was chased out of Belgium. :slight_smile:

Also, converting 44.1khz to another sample rate (48, 96, 192, etc) if far from as efficient and accurate as starting from 48kHz.

Fredo

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Agreed. No good reason at all for 44.1k. CD res only. Everything else is 48k based.

Games still seem to like to use 44.1kHz for whatever reason. Not all of them, but a surprising number.

That makes no real sense as 48k is synced to video and refresh frame rate. That means any company working at 44.1 for games, upsamples for delivery.
That’s just lazy or uniformed engineers. Does that mean they are probably using 16 bits as well? Disappointing.

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Bumping for an official reply. Years in the asking. Thanks.

If you’re on a Mac you should be able to use the external renderer at 96K. Nuendo had the internal renderer way before PT as well. :slightly_smiling_face:

Thanks, but my question is regarding the internal renderer.

Yes PT was late to the internal renderer game, I don’t know why that is relevant to the request to do what all those others do now.

Michael

Without getting into a religious argument on sample rates - I’m at 44.1khz always in music production all of the time.

Most audio delivery formats are at 44.1khz. Most of my sample libraries 44.1khz. Converting from 48khz to 44.1khz causes truncation. All of my music delivery sample rates are 44.1khz. Why start at 48khz.

I’m surprised at this since I had the impression that audio practice / delivery in general had turned towards 48 24 (or 96 24) and that files from sample libraries are supplied in mainly 48 24, 96 24 or 192 24 formats (taking a look in Soundly sample library, for example). What kind of clients specifically require delivery at 44.1?

This is true. If you are working on music delivery intended for CD release at 44.1 then there’s little point starting at 48kHz.

Its not just CD format

I’m more so in music production and delivery (I know Nuendo leans towards post production for visuals which has always been a 48khz deliverable due to frame rates. My clients though need the final music at 44.1khz for CD and general music consumer compatibility. Streamers will take other sample rates but I must settle at one and staying at 44.1 for now. So when the new Atmos for music movement is stuck at 48khz it causes me a conversion issue to satisfy that format. Would be good to have the 44.1khz option for Atmos for music

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@mart Thanks for the info.

By the way, in recent times I haven’t really looked at the possible issues when downsampling 48 to 44.1. I’d read that recent SRC algorithm performance has improved and results in negligeable issues when converting… but I don’t know have any definitive / reliable references on this subject.

I should say that true most modern sample libraries - particularly orchestral ones are using 48khz on their samples I imagine because of the correlation with film composer work. My older sample libraries that I still use though are 44.1khz.

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If you have to work in Atmos at times then if I were you I would just make 48kHz the default (if that’s in current Atmos in Nuendo) and down-convert from there.

If there’s a concern regarding quality I would just try a project by running it from start to finish in 44.1k then converting to 48k, and then the opposite. If there’s a noticeable difference then pick whatever is reasonable. Of course in order to figure out if it’s actually noticeable you’d need to make it at least a blind test.

As far as I know the majority of music outlets accept 48kHz so it would seem the ones that only accept 44.1k are in the minority. I would cater to the majority I think.

And lastly, sample rate conversion isn’t truncation. It’s slightly more complicated than that.

PS:

The quote says “pretty much anything works” and that 44.1kHz and 16-bit is just “typical”.

Just some thoughts because I ran into this post while having coffee…

This is all off topic.

If your sample libraries are 44, then they are old. Unless you are actually making a cd (Which is what I deliver DDP masters for cd release, not files), All audio in recent years has moved from cd based sample rates to conformed to video rates, meaning 48k based (48,96,192) and have been for many years.

Up converting is damaging and lazy. $.02

Back to the need for internal 96k Atmos files…And realtime export of Atmos.

Thanks.
Michael