A question about how to indicate repetition structure to players

Hi everyone,

in a song I’m writing I would like musicians to play according to this order: ABAC X 2 then coda (I attach an empty score where I’ve put rehearsal mark just to be clearer and not having to indicate everything bar by bar);

How would you indicate it to players?

Thank you,

Art

A question about how to indicate repetition.pdf (34.4 KB)

Exactly as you have done?

Hi @Janus, as in the new attached file; I simply didn’t put rehearsal marks and I put the d.c sign after second repetition.

If I play the song when it arrives to d.c. (after having played both parts 1. and 2.) it plays from start but jumps part 1. and goes directly to part 2. then to coda.

At the moment it’s not very important as Dorico itself plays the structure but I take this as a test for players and I ask If I did everything correctly… (I could insert some written indication to be clear for musicians but I would prefer doing things as simple as possible)

Thank you!

A question about how to indicate repetition 02.pdf (35.0 KB)

You specified players, not playback!

Dorico has a problem playing 1st/2nd time repeats after a DC jump.

There is a way to set it up and @johnkprice it the expert. Hopefully he will respond?

Do you mean a player would get it correctly as it is? This is my first goal at the moment…

…this is something I would gladly understand anyway, in case I have to export some mockup, demo or audio example in general.

Hopefully! :slight_smile:

Isn’t this just Playback Options > Repeats > Play repeats after D.S./D.C. jump?

That’s what I said.
For extra clarity you might add “DC then Coda” instead of just DC. But that shouldn’t be neccessary.

No. Normal repeats will play OK with that setting, but different repeat endings need jumps to be set depending on which pass it is on. There are a number of threads on this, with examples, but I never quite got my head around it!

Great! :folded_hands:

Yes it is! All playing correctly now! Thank you so much! Definitely too many options in Dorico… :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes:

In my case @asherber’s settings worked well :man_shrugging:

Maybe in more complicated structures things get harder to understand for Dorico, I wouldn’t know…

This structure seems to play back correctly for me, with the above option ticked. 1st ending, 2nd ending, DC, 1st ending, 2nd ending, coda.

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My version works too and I even didn’t indicate “coda” as a repeat marking but with a System boxed test indication…

This is the type of structure that does not playback correctly when the option Play repeats after D.S./D.C. jump is checked:

Without a workaround, the first ending is skipped after the D.C. jump.

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Hi @johnkprice ,

if it’s not too complicated it would be interesting to know how to do, in case of…

Thank you for answering, anyway.

Art

For the structure shown in post #13, correct playback can be achieved by selecting the first ending bracket in engrave mode and setting the following properties:

  • No. times played to 3
  • Times played for segment to 1,3
  • Custom text to 1.

With this workaround, the first ending and the repeat are played after the D.C. jump even if Play repeats after D.S./D.C. jump is not checked.

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Thank you very much @johnkprice! Sorry for my delay in answering!

Before @asherber answer I was doing some experiment exactly with those properties, so I was on the right path… This let me hope I’m starting to understand global Dorico approach; not always easy to locate all different settings, anyway.

Best,

Art

The one thing that’s missing is a note (for the players) to play the repeat on the da capo.

“D.C. (with repeats)”

Without it, I would go straight into the second ending after taking the DC

I am used to this the other way – seeing D.C. senza replica when repeats are not wanted.

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Interesting! I’ve been taught (and teach) to never take repeats unless indicated.

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Thank you both, @Rikard and @asherber!

I think indicating with repeats would possibly avoid misunderstandings, given various ways to write scores and interpretating them; just an opinion, of course.

Art