I would just like to echo the sentiment of many other forum threads out there that notes and rests in percussion staves should have just as much granular control as regular instrumental staves. I was working today on a project and wanted to move the vertical position of a rest, something that is possible in the Properties Panel on a regular instrumental staff, but unable to happen on a drum set staff.
As a professional drummer who understands the needs of drum set parts, the notion that rests cannot be hidden or voices cannot be forced to start or end in the middle of the measure to hide rests before or after (like in instrumental staves) in a percussion staff doesnāt make any sense to me. I understand that percussion staves can be displayed in a grid format or as individual staves, but if itās a traditional one staff for percussion kit, there should be the ability to control all the parameters of notes and rests the same way as instrumental staves.
Iāve attached two screenshots: one of selecting a rest and being unable to see the option to move the rest vertically in the Properties Panel, and another of a very common example of using slashes and traditional notation in a single measure, but unable to hide unnecessary rests/start and end voices.
If there is in fact a solution or workaround in Dorico 3 that Iām missing, I would be happy to hear it. Otherwise, Iād like to join in the choir of saying that this is a necessary feature that should be implemented as soon as possible.
The solution is to use only one voice. You have to understand that Upstem Voice 1 and Upstem Slashed Voice 1 are two separate voices, and will each create their own rests. In bars where you need stemmed slashes AND regular notes, ensure that your stemmed slashes are regular notes, in Upstem Voice 1, but with slash noteheads.
Proof it works:
Demo Dorico project attached, so that you can open it up and see how Iāve set up the Drum Kit in Setup mode. drums without rests.dorico.zip (440 KB)
Thanks, this helps a lot. How were you able to create a note that is āstem upā in the percussion kit, but defaulted to stem down?
I feel an easy solution, beyond the conceptual nature of how Dorico views notation, is to add a Sibelius-like āhideā for any musical element. If we donāt wish to see a rest, or a time signature, or an articulation, we should be able to hide it with a simple command. Thereās so much that Dorico can do already, and I feel this would be a welcome addition to the feature set. It may go against the ethos of Dorico, but itās such a simple way to get out of a bind.
No, you donāt have to create another voice, then change noteheads. You set up your percussion kit so that the instrument on the B line always uses slash noteheads, then (where necessary) you hit F to flip the beams down.
As to hiding rests, sure, but itās not how Dorico works. When you remove a rest on a regular stave, youāre actually starting and stopping a voice - youāre not just arbitrarily hiding something. You canāt do that on a percussion staff because percussion staves essentially condense the underlying one-line staves of the individual instruments that make up the kit. The rests are superficial padding - they appear because the rules determine that they need to be there. They donāt actually exist, so they canāt be removed by starting or stopping a voice. As to it being an easy solution, thatās easy to say, but if it were easy to implement then it would surely have been implemented by now.
edit, in response to your edit: if thereās only one voice on a stave, Dorico puts notes in their natural direction. This isnāt specific to percussion stavesā¦
I understand, but if what you said is correct, that the rests are superficial and ādonāt actually exist,ā what difference does it make to have the user say, āI donāt need to see this and neither does my playerā and have the ability to hide it say in the same way we can hide chord symbols in non-rhythm section parts?
Iām not saying this to be defensive, more along the lines of real feedback for the Dorico team as a feature that would be highly appreciated by many engravers that do drum parts for a living. As Iāve converted many of my jazz friends to Dorico, this is the one issue that consistently comes up time and time again in order to make drum set parts look a certain way.
I appreciate the help, Iāll keep this in mind when the issue comes up again in the future.
The difference is that percussion staves donāt exist. My understanding is that thereās basically nowhere for āhide thisā properties to exist, because five-line percussion staves are created on the fly depending on whatās stored in the underlying single-line staves. Given the rests on a five-line percussion staff arenāt necessarily combined in the same way on the underlying single-line staves, the āhide thisā property canāt exist on the single-line staves.
Itās thus incomparable to anything thatās attached to a regular stave.
Disclaimer: Iām just a Dorico user. I may have the wrong end of the stick here.
I always knew that there were multiple ways to view a percussion staff (grid/single line/five line), but thatās interesting that the five-line staff and grid formats are created from the single-line notation properties, hence why itās not treated the same way as other instrumental staves.
I know Daniel said they were working on this issue for a future update, so maybe theyāre trying to figure out how the properties of notation can be adapted depending on what kind of view youād like (i.e. single staves, grid, or five-line). Certainly interesting.
A related complication is that dynamics created on single-line or grid percussion representations wonāt show up on five-line representations (and vice-versa). The good news is that itās possible to add dynamics to five-line percussion staves, which indicates that thereās somewhere for these items to exist, internally.
I write jazz parts all the time. IMO, Doricoās percussion notation is quite lacking for this and is not the way to go for a visual (not playback) staff. Often in a jazz drum part, I will need measures that are actually notated, along with measures that are just slashes, along with bars that are just rhythm hits. Doricoās percussion notation is not set up to do this, nor would I really expect it to. My solution and recommendation is to just create two staves, one visual and one for playback (if needed), and then not include the playback staff in the score. For a visual staff you can use āTimpani (No key sig)ā so it automatically sets up without a key sig if it is being used in the other staves. That way you have the full editing capabilities to use for the drum notation staff. Use the playback percussion staff to playback whatever you want without any care to how it is notated.
I find myself doing this all of the time. I use a ānormalā instrument staff like timpani as mentioned above. Then I can use independent voices and have all of the flexibility of a normal instrument, such as moving any particular note between voices. I just change the noteheadss to represent the various parts of the drumset. Obviously the playback is sacrificed using this method but the percussion set at the moment has been programmed to be simple for non-drummers to write basic parts and suggestions. By some of the comments on here, it sounds like it may be like this being built from the ground up with the focus on putting together individual parts of the instrument and not so much as the instrument as a whole.
Iāve use a different notation program for a number of years with no issues writing drum parts as all options for normal instruments can be applied. I could also hear the playback of things as well. Iāve been with Dorico since V1, so am supportive of their processes. There seems to be a few guys on here with similar issues, all writing more progressive drum parts. Iāll put my hand up to do some testing and also offer scenarios to help with the development of the drum notation and Iām sure there are others on here that would also welcome the opportunity.
A part of Doricoās processes in designing the drumset notation could be as pianoleo mentions:
āpercussion staves essentially condense the underlying one-line staves of the individual instruments that make up the kit.ā
I feel a better approach would be to think of the instrument (drumset) as a whole so it can have the flexibilities of other instruments. Different voices will cross and different limbs will play in different voices. This is how the instrument is played, so would be good to come into thinking this way for the notation. I know theyāve committed to this approach and I do hope that its not too late that it may be stuck like this.
In commercial arrangements, my biggest problem is not being able to preset āall instruments in one voiceā for tuplet fills and then snap back into normal voicing.
I have the same question. I want to achieve the same notation with slashes and slashes w/ stems in the same drum set staff as I did in my other notation software. I canāt seem to figure out a work around for it in Dorico where there are no rests. I tried doing it this way:
beat 1 is slash region
beat 2 is slash notation in voice 1 up stem
upbeat of beat 2 is slash with stem in voice 1 up stem (l.v. turned on)
beat 3 and 4 slash region
problem with my procedure are the rests appearing in beat 2.