About respelling and editing voices

Hello, I am now acquainted with Dorico Pro quite much.
I read Dorico First Step Document

I have some more questions

  1. What is the easiest way of respelling notes?
    For example, I want Db to be C# or vice versa quickly
    I found one way to do this from the user’s guide
    but I cannot understand and it is not working as I want

And, I can see the colors of each voice by enabling voice colors, which is good.
I have questions about voices

  1. If there are 3 voices, is the highest the first or the last?
    I cannot figure out how the order is set.

  2. Also, can I change the order of voices freely?
    For example, if there are three voices like soprano - alto - tenor, I want those orders to be 2 - 3 - 1
    Can I do this?

  3. I think I can choose the voice among several voices by pressing V.
    But is there faster way to pick one voice among several?

  4. If there are soprano - alto, I want to exchange between them
    That is, I want soprano to be alto and alto to be soprano (inside one bar)
    How can I do this easily?

  5. If two voices cross each other, the scores get messy
    But there are cases when two voices cross each other.
    How can I make them look more beautiful?

  6. On the left-side tool bar, there are Insert(Voice) button and Next Voice button
    I will appreciate if you can explain to me what the difference between them is.

  7. When I insert notes after pressing shift+V, or V (voice editing mode)
    I found I can insert notes by pressing keyboard
    but I cannot insert notes by clicking mouse on the score directly
    I want to use mouse click, which is easier for me
    So how can I insert notes on several voices with mouse clicking?

Sorry for several questions
Have a nice day and see you

  1. Alt - and Alt = change a note’s enharmonic status. if you think of the keys as ‘minus and plus’ (on most keyboards), then minus moves the pitch class down, e.g. turned A flat into G sharp.

  2. Notes in voices can be in any order. Sometimes the Altos sing above the Sopranos!

3 and 5: In Edit > Voices > Swap Voice Contents will do what you want.

  1. You can use the Filter to filter notes in a given voice. There’s also Select More, which will select more notes in the same voice in that bar, then in the system, then in the whole flow. You can also select one note and another, and Select More will select all the notes between them in the same voice.

  2. Complex polyphonic music with overlapping voices – particularly vocal music – is often better displayed on separate staves for each part. I certainly wouldn’t put 3 voices on one staff if I could avoid it.

  3. It’s the different between Shift V (creating a new voice) and V (switching to an already created voice.)

  4. Mouse clicking on the staff is usually the slowest and least accurate method of note entry, in any software. I can’t quite understand what you’re doing from your description, but you would have to click-create the note, change voice, click-create the note, etc.

1 Like

Hello, Benwiggy
Nice to meet you again!

I have short more questions

  1. Db and C# have different note position
    Db is on D, and C# is at C
    I found I can change b to # vice versa but I think I should move notes by mouse dragging or pressing alt+arrow up/down

May I ask:
How can I make Db at D to move to C (C#) easily?

Also, for 3 and 5: swapping voices
I tried as you guided, but it was not working
I will try again to do this

For other questions, I am reading now your advise

Thank you

No, you can’t move notes around with the mouse.

As I said, you can change the enharmonic spelling with Alt- to move from D flat to C#. You can also use Shift-Alt-Up or Down to move a note by semitones.

Can you show us some screenshots of what you’re working on, so that we can see what you’re doing?

1 Like

Hello, Benwiggy

I just tried as you told me (Alt - )
I found it is working now. Sorry
Really, I can move Db to C# by pressing alt -

(So I don’t need to show you the screenshot…)

And, by the way, I couldn’t make C# to go back to Db original position by pressing alt = (or alt +)
I should do undo (press Control+Z)
But I will figure out how to make C# to Db and go back Db to C# vice versa easily by myself.
Thank you for your guide

And for other questions, I now understand your point and explanation
Thank you for kindness and advise
You helped me a lot
I like Dorico Pro much more now.

So have a great week and see you again, Benwiggy
Thank you

Hi @morphism – If your keyboard is different from English keyboards, you can still find (and change) the shortcut for “Respell using note name above”. Look in Preferences > Key Commands > Note Editing. (There is also a search box in there, at the top of the list of commands.)

1 Like

Dear Mark:

Thank you for your help

But, yet I didn’t find how to go back original note
For example, by pressing alt - , I can make Db to C#
Then how can I go back from C# to Db ??

Still I don’t know how (Of course, I can do this using Ctrl Z)

Perhaps a screen shot will help:

This is how the default keyboard shortcut shows for me on an American Mac keyboard. Yours may be different. If it is an inconvenient key combination, you can change it to something easier.

Thank you, Mark

As I mentioned, I can make Db to C#

But, I cannot make C# to Db. I tried Alt = , several times. I didn’t work

If I write in 한국말, will that help? (I’m sure you have an English version of Dorico.)

Preferences > Key Commands로 이동하여 "respell"을 검색합니다. 위의 스크린샷에서 파란색으로 강조 표시된 영역을 관찰하십시오. 이 명령에 할당된 바로 가기가 있습니다. 이것이 무엇인지 알아내고 원하는 경우 변경하는 방법입니다.

Edit: I guess I meant to highlight “Respell Using Note Name Above” in my screenshot! My mistake.

1 Like

Hello, Mark.

As you told me, now I solved the problem

Originally, it was set "Alt = " to move C# to Db
But it didn’t work anyway.

However, after I changed the key command to "Alt Shift = "
now it is working (using Alt Shift =)

So I can go from Db to C# and vice versa now

Thank you for your kindness and help
So have a great week and see you again, Mark