About transposing of notes

Dorico
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Dear everyone

In Dorico Pro, I can transpose notes by alt + up or alt + down after selecting them
However, when I do this, all the accidental information (sharp, flat etc) disappear

Thus, I found that tranposing of notes in Dorico is not satisfactory (not convenient)

In cakewalk 9.0, long times ago, I could transpose notes by semitone
and also, in that case, accidental information could be preserved

So, in Dorico Pro, can I tranpose notes per semitone and preserve accidentals ?

For example, if I tranpose two notes (F# - G) one semitone up,
notes will become G - G#
if I tranpose them three semitones down,
they will become D# - E

I want this way of tranposing

So can I do this in Dorico?

Thank you

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Alt-Shift-arrow.

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Dear Dan

Oh, thank you

Alt shift arrow really works in that way I want !
I didn’t know that

So, I should use alt shift arrow, not alt arrow (from now)

So thank you so much again and have a nice weekend, Dan
Take care

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alt-arrow is diatonic. shift-alt-arrow is chromatic. Simple. Useful.

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Dear Marc

So, alt arrow is not recommended

I should use alt shift arrow, this is correct in most cases

I understand
Thank you so much and have a nice weekend, Marc

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I wrote that little answer because I really don’t think alt-arrow is not recommended! It’s simply not the same tool. Sometimes you need to move notes diatonically, sometimes chromatically. Use the appropriate tool, that’s all I’m saying.

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Dear Marc

Right, I understand your point

I like Dorico Pro much better than ever now.

So see you again, Marc
Take care

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Just to expand a little further – Shift-Alt/Opt-arrow transposition is by octave division, which in the default 12-EDO tonality system is indeed chromatic, but in 24-EDO would be by quarter tone.

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Dear Lillie
Nice to meet you, Lillie

Thank you for your comments and informations

Thanks to your help, now I found tonal system panel in Dorico, where I can choose 24-EDO system etc

I also found there are several links about this topic in our forum and support site.

I will search and study this topic as you advise
Microtonic system is so interesting to me
I want to study and test quarter tonic system, which I have some interest in

So thank you again and have a nice weekend, Lillie
See you again

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Hi everybody,

Just reading this thread now. Can someone explain why octave transpositions using ctrl+alt+arrow leads to losing accidentals, particularly cautionary accidentals? This also seems to happen when I simply use the mouse to highlight a note, then drag it to a new position (something that sometimes saves time).

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Have you checked your settings under Notation Options > Accidentals > Cautionary Accidentals? There are settings there to control the display of cautionaries for notes at a different octave in the same/following bar.

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Dragging it to a new position with the mouse is unlikely to preserve the accidental, as you’re moving the note to a new staff position. (In fact, to each staff position on the way.)

Cautionary accidentals, as said, have specific settings for notes at different octaves.

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You can use modifier keys when dragging notes to change the transposition amount.

By default, dragging (without modifiers) transposes notes by staff position, which doesn’t preserve accidentals.

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So I’m trying to understand this help article. Thank you for linking to it.

If I just want to drag a note with any accidentals (including cautionary) preserved, what’s the easiest way to do that?

I’ve been using ctrl-alt with the up or down arrow to move notes or passages up or down an octave, but is there something I need to do to preserve accidentals, including cautionaries?

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Preserve accidentals - you can do the chromatic (octave division) transposition, which preserves the exact intervals between notes (eg F - F# - G).

Staff position removes all accidentals other than those specified in the key signature, but retains the note-name relationships between notes (ie all selected notes go up or down a note name)

Octave transposition goes up/down octaves exactly.

Whether or not cautionaries appear now some notes are in a different octave depends on your Notation Options, as described by earlier posters in your thread.