Adding/removing pages without reset of vertical staff spacing

Hi Lillie,
opening this older thread as the page-tied vertical spacing issue keeps returning. I keep coming to cases, in which the spacing doesn’t fall into the general categories the per-layout vertical spacing options looks for. A typical one would be with larger text blocks:

When on top of the page, the avoid collisions toggle doesn’t yield intended results – namely that the system labeled C would be positioned below the text block. If these text blocks are of varying size, altering page margins as I read elsewhere on this forum, doesn’t quite solve the issue. Then if music or spacing is changed, with a larger score all the vertical adjustments are lost. I much appreciate Dorico’s flexibility in terms of adjusting the score for example in situations when new instruments are added or taken so this is a bit confusing.

With my current experience, some kind of a vertical spacing lock would be much welcome since a lot of things do evolve during the process as was mentioned by @klafkid earlier in this thread. Please let me know if I am missing something.

Thanks a lot for your attention,


When you’re doing this kind of manual tweaking… manual tweaking is required. Once you’re in the realm of page overrides like this, you need to override the default music frame too.

Text frames are floating and can be placed anywhere; the music doesn’t avoid them because there are plenty of times when you might want to place text on a dense page between staves and not have the music move, but rather add to to what’s already there.

In this case you need to select the top middle handle of the music frame and move it down below your giant text blob.

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In a situation like this, with such a large text block, I am a great proponent of using Custom Page Templates so that, if something forces the music to another page, one can simply reassign the custom page rather than having to recreate it from scratch.

(I am also puzzled why two rehearsal letters in the illustration seem to apply to the same measure.)

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I believe the block of dialogue is the first bit of “music” with the instrumental bit to follow the next bit.

@Romanos and @Derrek thanks for your tips! I will try these strategies. I understand these situations may have to be dealt with on a one by one basis, yet I would love to see a way for the manual tweaking to be pertained once it is done. I suppose now there is no way to do that?

The staff is narrowed behind the text block (you can see bits of the clef in between the lines).