Adjusting record-in levels via headphones

Hope someone can point me in the right direction.

I do not hear the guitar track I’m recording loud enough thru my headphones. The microphone input levels in the UR824 are set properly. When recording, I hear all the other recorded tracks, louder than the track I’m trying to record… the one I want to hear. I’ve lived with this condition by removing one headphone pod slightly off an ear, but anymore I barely hear the channel I’m recording. I’ve compensated by raising the channel levels in Cubase to the max… but that’s not normal.

I’ve gone thru the UR manual and in Cubase but I’m not finding anything there that explains how to control the volume level of the recorded track in relation to the other tracks.

Raising the volume level in the headphones section of the control room has the same effect as the level adjust on the headphone monitor of the UR - the overall volume just increases.

Any Ideas?..

That tells us nothing!

  1. Are you recording through a mic or cable?
  2. In other words: Do you revcord acoustic or electric guitar, and Have you set up High-Z or Phantom power if needed?
  3. How have you set your input gain for the recording channel in ur824?
  4. Have you activated monitoring for the recording track?
  5. You dont need to use a separate headphone channel in CR; ur824 has a separate headphone amp with separate control for the headphone output.
  6. Some screen shots of Control Room and your settings there would give better understanding of what you’ve done.

Greetings Buer

Sorry! Here’s the info you are requesting.

  1. Recording thru a mic.

  2. Acoustic guitar - Phantom power = yes

  3. Input gains in ur 824 set to just below clipping levels.

  4. Direct Monitoring is activated.

  5. I have the headphones inserted into the ‘‘Phones 1’’ insert of the UR

  6. See screenshot of control room settings.

Thanks

Route all the other tracks to a bus. Lower the bus level fader. Adjust the hp level to taste. Done.

I’m a bit confused in what you’re trying to achieve. If you are recording an acoustic guitar, I would myself set up a mono track for this and record onto that, and set this to monitor/listen to input. You have set a lot of tracks to monitoring; why is that?


Personally I would disable CR, and listen to the monitoring through the main output. That’s the simplest option.

Hi,
this is not headphone specific - it’s about your general management of levels.

I would lower the levels of all tracks that you have already recorded to a level that peaks at -12dB maximum. You can do that for each one individually or you can use quick-link in the mixer window. Now, set the input level as displayed on your input channel of your guitar track at around -12dB in order to leave some headroom. Now, you can temporarily push up the level on your record armed guitar track to taste.

I guess you started off all wrong by pushing the faders of the existing tracks way too high (+6dB).

If you want to keep the current level of your tracks as is you can use cue mixes. It’s a very helpful control room feature for exactly this kind of situation. Cue mixes do not have an effect on your real mix. Setting up headphone mixes is one of their core tasks. It is definetly worth to familiarize oneself with the concept!

My appologies Zip for not getting back to you sooner… Your idea is a good one I can apply. I work full time and recording is mostly done on the weekends as life permits. When I get a chance I’ll let you know how it worked out.

Thanks

Oh! I’ll have to look into the cue mix method.

What you saw in the screen shot were the acoustic guit. levels just to monitor them over the rest of the mix. All the mix levels I have been keeping at 0-db.

At one time I used to set all the channel input levels at -5db for recording-in work, and then would reset them to 0db afterwards to begin the mixing stage but to save time and error I decided to go flat at 0db and adjust from there.

But yeah makes sense maybe the overall loudness is too much… Thought I might add… once a track was recorded the overall loudness levels averaged at -12db. Hmm!

I think doing cue mixes in the Control Room via headphones is what I need to learn to do. I use the quick-link option for record-enable purposes mostly.

Thanks for the Cubase link - I’ll look into that Thanks

Continuing the discussion from Adjusting record-in levels via headphones:

Hi Buer - The tracks you see monitored are/is the guitar track being recorded. I record using 3 mics simultaneously. The first two inputs are for Mid/side recording and the third input is for Left/Right recording options. This allows me to mix and match, from one recording instance, for Mid/Side and/or Left/Right or a combination of the two if required.

The CR headphones are set to listen to the Mix; which is the same as the stereo out from Cubase.
As Reco says: you have to tap the input signal for the recording track(s). Set up a cue channel !
But I’m still curious about:
Direct monitoring, and why you can’t just using the headphones options at your hardware in stead of the CR.

Thats that’s the original problem. I am using direct monitoring but do not hear the track being recorded above the rest of the mix. If I adjust the volume in Cubase in the headphone mix section, is the same as adjusting the phones1 level in the UR. the overall mix levels change. I will try the CR cue mix method. Hopefully that should work.

It will. That’s their primary purpose :slight_smile: