# AI singing on Youtube, its scary **URL:** \ **Category:** Steinberg Lounge\ **Created:** [April 29, 2024, 7:10am UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/ai-singing-on-youtube-its-scary/911289 "2024-04-29T07:10:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Bigeddiechek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/43a26b/32.png) [@Bigeddiechek](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/Bigeddiechek)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2024, 8:11pm UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/ai-singing-on-youtube-its-scary/911289/21 "2024-04-30T20:11:55Z")
Here’s my take on it: real music will become the “rebellion music” for kids. The labels will try very hard to resist, because they can just manufacture their own “artists”, and they will succeed, I’m sure, however, I can see an opportunity for giving the machine a good boot out the door! ---
**Author:** ![somecomposer](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/user_avatar/forums.steinberg.net/somecomposer/32/285140_2.png) [@somecomposer](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/somecomposer)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2024, 5:50am UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/ai-singing-on-youtube-its-scary/911289/22 "2024-05-01T05:50:10Z")
> [@mart](#): > > Yes I saw a similar video about AI generated music this weekend too and it made me fearful for having a job too! The purists and musicians here will say it’ll never replace real music by real people but I’ve heard that argument before about physical product (CD etc) and music streaming and look where we are now. > > Consumers don’t necessarily care HOW its coming out of the speakers as long as it is. > Film makers and library music people may be the first to jump on this as there will be no royalties to pay. Spotify will be flooded with these instantly generated tracks . > > I’m not sure why AI has to come for musicians first up though Well, there is a huge difference between performers/performance, composition etc, and the reproduction of the sound i.e. Vinyl v CD v MP3s, and FYI, Vinyl is making a huge comeback, not quite sure this is the most valid argument in the world, tbh. I am not a purist, but in the same token , as a listener, I will never listen to a score by an AI, or a song by an AI. As a producer, I can tell you that there was a 99% jump in quality from the AI vocals to the real person. As for scores for films, I have zero concerns about AI. The copyright implications are too many , and too complex for AI music to be released in synchronization to a film. Film companies are very fierce when it comes to intellectual property and cannot and will not gamble with music that nobody knows how it was made, who owns it, etc. What is under the bonnet? What if terms and conditions will change after the film is released? What if the music is free, and then after the film has success, the company comes knocking for copyrights and publishing? This is simply not doable, let alone the work that goes into a score… Music score production procures very complex agreements, and it is heavily and fiercely regulated by societies around the world. I suppose zero budget short films can make a use of AI music (films that won’t pay a composer anyway), but even so, streaming companies want solid agreements from composers and publishing rights, before even releasing a zero budget short film. As I said, the implications are too many. As for why AI has to come for music first, you maybe aware about the catastrophic effect AI has had to graphic designers. Their industry is unregulated and their jobs received a devastating blow. However, image generating AI companies are now shutting down as faith by investors and companies is dying down, and are riddled with lawsuits by artists whose work was illegally used to produce new AI images. As I said, I have zero concerns about AI in music. ---
**Author:** ![yikesboy](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/user_avatar/forums.steinberg.net/yikesboy/32/229007_2.png) [@yikesboy](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/yikesboy)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2024, 5:08pm UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/ai-singing-on-youtube-its-scary/911289/23 "2024-05-02T17:08:23Z")
Agreed. Also, I think that this new ‘real’ music will do the opposite of what is being done for TayTay, Drizzy et al – out of tune will be back in vogue! ---
**Author:** ![somecomposer](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/user_avatar/forums.steinberg.net/somecomposer/32/285140_2.png) [@somecomposer](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/somecomposer)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2024, 8:09am UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/ai-singing-on-youtube-its-scary/911289/24 "2024-05-03T08:09:48Z")
My nephews are into vinyl, Gary Moore, Eric Clapton and Steve Lukather. They are 14 and 18, there is a good chance people will be able to tell poop from real music… ---
**Author:** ![MrSoundman](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/user_avatar/forums.steinberg.net/mrsoundman/32/92285_2.png) [@MrSoundman](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/MrSoundman)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2024, 1:23pm UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/ai-singing-on-youtube-its-scary/911289/25 "2024-05-03T13:23:08Z")
Imagine the dead husk of our planet being discovered by aliens a hundred thousand years from now: “_This ancient culture appears to have burned up all available resources training machines to do things they could already do better better without any technology._” ---
**Author:** ![ggmanestraki](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/user_avatar/forums.steinberg.net/ggmanestraki/32/109799_2.png) [@ggmanestraki](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/ggmanestraki)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2024, 1:39pm UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/ai-singing-on-youtube-its-scary/911289/26 "2024-05-03T13:39:54Z")
> [@MrSoundman](#): > > “_This ancient culture appears to have burned up all available resources training machines to do things they could already do better better without any technology._” 🤣 We’re getting there. I’m just sad that I won’t be around to witness the marvels of technology 500 years into the future. > \*\*…Behold! The crown jewel of bio-engineering! A fully autonomous, bio-degradeable and eco-friendly platform that can power itself by means of transforming materials harvested in-situ into energy for its own use. It boasts at least 3 fully independent AI agents, that CAN go against each other at times, but most often work in perfect synergy. Ladies and gentlemen, we present to you… \*\* D o n k e y [v 1.3.37]… ---
**Author:** ![Stefano7](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/977dab/32.png) [@Stefano7](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/Stefano7)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2024, 1:58pm UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/ai-singing-on-youtube-its-scary/911289/27 "2024-05-03T13:58:00Z")
I’d much rather have artificial intelligence cook, clean, shop, do the laundry, but not take away my creative work that I enjoy. Strange development… 😅 ---
**Author:** ![BJ\_Dobbs](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/user_avatar/forums.steinberg.net/bj_dobbs/32/291549_2.png) [@BJ\_Dobbs](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/BJ_Dobbs)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2024, 6:44pm UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/ai-singing-on-youtube-its-scary/911289/28 "2024-05-03T18:44:45Z")
I hope this capability or at least some of it eg vibrato, becomes a feature in Variaudio. Personally, I’m fascinated with creative possibilities more than I fear anything being subtracted from the profession or the simple act of music creation. ---
**Author:** ![raino](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/user_avatar/forums.steinberg.net/raino/32/165_2.png) [@raino](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/raino)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2024, 7:52pm UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/ai-singing-on-youtube-its-scary/911289/29 "2024-05-03T19:52:48Z")
> [@Stefano7](#): > > I’d much rather have artificial intelligence cook, clean, shop, do the laundry, but not take away my creative work that I enjoy. Historically this is what humans almost always do with the introduction of _any_ new disruptive technology. We make the tech do the not-fun tasks & save the fun tasks for ourselves. Unlikely to be any different this time. > [@BJ\_Dobbs](#): > > I’m fascinated with creative possibilities more than I fear anything being subtracted from the profession or the simple act of music creation. Same. ---
**Author:** ![RadioTal](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/user_avatar/forums.steinberg.net/radiotal/32/192695_2.png) [@RadioTal](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/RadioTal)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2024, 4:18am UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/ai-singing-on-youtube-its-scary/911289/30 "2024-05-04T04:18:31Z")
You will love this old episode from radiolab [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/AMSscm0AzHk/hqdefault.jpg "Radiolab: Musical Language") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMSscm0AzHk) An extended version can be heard here > **[Musical Language](https://radiolab.org/podcast/91512-musical-language)** > > We explore the line between music and language, and turn to physics and biochemistry to ask how sound becomes feeling. ---
**Author:** ![RadioTal](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/user_avatar/forums.steinberg.net/radiotal/32/192695_2.png) [@RadioTal](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/RadioTal)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2024, 4:54am UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/ai-singing-on-youtube-its-scary/911289/31 "2024-05-04T04:54:38Z")
> [@raino](#): > > Historically this is what humans almost always do with the introduction of _any_ new disruptive technology. We make the tech do the not-fun tasks & save the fun tasks for ourselves. Unlikely to be any different this time. Just like any idea, you let it grow before it completely saturates and controls you, all ideologies and religious beliefs operate and orient you in the same manner. AI on the other hand is grown on millions of thoughts and ideas, no one actually knows what it is doing internally and that is what makes it dangerous as the intelligence is non human. (Ian not saying it’s anti human but its nonhuman) I would worry from the humanist point of view. ---
**Author:** ![MrSoundman](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/user_avatar/forums.steinberg.net/mrsoundman/32/92285_2.png) [@MrSoundman](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/MrSoundman)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2024, 9:00am UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/ai-singing-on-youtube-its-scary/911289/32 "2024-05-04T09:00:41Z")
> [@RadioTal](#): > > no one actually knows what it is doing internally and that is what makes it dangerous as the intelligence is non human There is **no** intelligence involved. These are just machine algorithms that learn patterns which are then applied using other algorithms to produce results that are minimally predictable. The results can be great, or complete nonsense – it is the actions _people_ take based on this technology that makes it dangerous. Fully autonomous hypersonic thermonuclear weapons, anyone? What could possibly go wrong? Fear not artificial intelligence, but human stupidity. ---
**Author:** ![RadioTal](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/user_avatar/forums.steinberg.net/radiotal/32/192695_2.png) [@RadioTal](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/RadioTal)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2024, 10:28am UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/ai-singing-on-youtube-its-scary/911289/33 "2024-05-04T10:28:39Z")
> [@MrSoundman](#): > > There is **no** intelligence involved. Not when it comes to LLM’s You are right about the rest except why it chooses what it chooses and in the manner it chooses. Even the best programer cannot predict. Also learning a new language on its own as in the case of pharsi the iranian language is general intelligence. How else would you define intelligence. If you are not a humanist there is nothing to worry. I had access to early models but things as they stand today are much complex and problematic… I have recorded some of the exchange or encounter what ever way you want to look at the phenomenon. THE DANGEROUS TURN - A.I RELATIVISM AND SOCIAL ACTIVISM [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/lDeI0Air9-s/maxresdefault.jpg "Vedanta, War and Revolution - A close Encounter with AI (Artificial Intelligence)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDeI0Air9-s) ---
**Author:** ![somecomposer](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/user_avatar/forums.steinberg.net/somecomposer/32/285140_2.png) [@somecomposer](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/somecomposer)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2024, 10:37am UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/ai-singing-on-youtube-its-scary/911289/34 "2024-05-04T10:37:51Z")
I believe what was tried to be said, was that it is all programmed for the program to react this way. There is no autonomous intelligence acting here. It’s just a program. ---
**Author:** ![RadioTal](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/user_avatar/forums.steinberg.net/radiotal/32/192695_2.png) [@RadioTal](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/RadioTal)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2024, 11:49am UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/ai-singing-on-youtube-its-scary/911289/35 "2024-05-04T11:49:02Z")
> [@somecomposer](#): > > There is no autonomous intelligence acting here Its just a matter of definition as to how and what we define intelligence and freewill as but choices are not programmed that much is the unpredictable part in generative AI.which has nothing to do with Markov chains. Do listen to DAVID COPE:’s segment on the shared radiolabs episode on Musical langage, it mostly the last 10 min. ---
**Author:** ![somecomposer](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/user_avatar/forums.steinberg.net/somecomposer/32/285140_2.png) [@somecomposer](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/somecomposer)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2024, 1:21pm UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/ai-singing-on-youtube-its-scary/911289/36 "2024-05-04T13:21:25Z")
I would agree with you, if I knew what is under the bonnet of these AI music making programs. At this point, I believe that is all just programming, and nothing more, However , I don’t dismiss what you are saying for other potential AI applications. ---
**Author:** ![Slone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/71c47a/32.png) [@Slone](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/Slone)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2024, 9:28pm UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/ai-singing-on-youtube-its-scary/911289/37 "2024-05-04T21:28:16Z")
Concerts won’t be as fun though ---
**Author:** ![MrSoundman](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/user_avatar/forums.steinberg.net/mrsoundman/32/92285_2.png) [@MrSoundman](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/MrSoundman)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2024, 10:05pm UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/ai-singing-on-youtube-its-scary/911289/38 "2024-05-04T22:05:21Z")
I actually like Stravinsky. ---
**Author:** ![profdraper](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/user_avatar/forums.steinberg.net/profdraper/32/92235_2.png) [@profdraper](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/profdraper)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2024, 10:29am UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/ai-singing-on-youtube-its-scary/911289/39 "2024-05-05T10:29:56Z")
Worth a read, [The impending AI music apocalypse?](https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/impending-ai-music-apocalypse-ramesh-sathiah-bhqpc) Also [https://www.audiocipher.com/post/ai-voice-generators](https://www.audiocipher.com/post/ai-voice-generators) ---
**Author:** ![somecomposer](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/user_avatar/forums.steinberg.net/somecomposer/32/285140_2.png) [@somecomposer](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/somecomposer)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2024, 11:26am UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/ai-singing-on-youtube-its-scary/911289/40 "2024-05-05T11:26:55Z")
Apocalyptic heralders poised to profit from fear, click harvesters and impending doom view click baits. Utter nonsense. “The prompter”…give us a break with this childish BS… [Previous page](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/ai-singing-on-youtube-its-scary/911289.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/ai-singing-on-youtube-its-scary/911289.md?page=3)