Align the last of three triplet sixteenth with the last of four regular sixteenth, please explain

[fahl5]

I kown that there are several postings and discussions about how to align the third triplet and the fourth of regular sixteenth. I have understood that something with “nested tuplets” is mentioned to be the solution.

However, perhaps because I am not native english speaking or not so familiar how to create “nestet tuplets” and things like that, I still wasn’t able to figure out what exactly I should do to get what is written in the Manuskript I am working on.

And this is what I get, when I just write it in Dorico as it is written in the Manuscript:

Can anyone explain me what exactly I have to do, to achieve the same appearance as it is written in the manuscript. And how I could and should apply those “nested” tuplets etc. the other threads are talking about when helping to solve similar problems.

(I would not have posted here, if any of the threads about similar Problem would have helped me, so be kind and have a bit patience with me in this question. Thank you)

[asherber]

Enter the left hand sextuplet as a regular 6:4x tuplet.

In the right hand, start a 6:4x tuplet, then immediately start a 3:5x tuplet. This second, nested, tuplet tells Dorico that you want to enter three sixteenths (the dotted eighth) and have it take up as much space as 5 sixteenths in the (outer) sextuplet. After you have entered the dotted eighth, press Shift+; to exit the nested tuplet, and then enter the last sixteenth.

Now select the two notes in the RH and do Beam Together from the jump bar.

Select the 3 in the RH and use the bottom Properties panel to turn off display of the number, then do the same with the 6 (hiding the bracket as well). In the LH, hide both the number and the bracket of the tuplet, even though there’s currently no bracket showing.

Finally, select the last three notes in the LH and cross staff them with N.

For the second half of the bar, the lower voice is a regular 6:4x tuplet. The upper voice is a 6:4x outer tuplet and a 2:3x inner tuplet for the eighth note. (But see edit below!) Then the easiest thing is probably to enter sixteenth, sixteenth rest, sixteenth, and then use Edit > Remove Rests to hide the sixteenth rest. Otherwise, you’ll have to do a 1:2x tuplet for the first sixteenth (D), exit that tuplet, and enter the last sixteenth (C). And then I guess beam together the whole RH upper voice.

I hope that makes sense. The important thing about nesting tuplets is that each time you type Shift+; you pop back up one level; you don’t end tuplet input completely.

Here’s the file.

Nested tuplets.dorico (486.7 KB)

Edit: For the upper voice on the second beat, you could also do just a regular (non-tuplet) eighth note, followed by a 3:2x tuplet where the second sixteenth is a rest, as suggested above. That way, that beat doesn’t need nested tuplets at all.

[fahl5]

Thank you so much for your patient and wonderful instructive detailed explanation.Answers like that always made the Dorico Suportforum something really extraordinary.Thank you very much!