Always show rests in both voices for Drum part

[NFevola]

Hi everyone. I imagine there is something simple I’m missing here, but I’ve searched the forums and haven’t found what I’m looking for. I notate parts for Drums with stems up for anything played with the hands and stems down for anything played with the feet (basically kick and HH pedal). In measures where only either up stem or down stem kit elements are playing I’d like to show rests in the other “voice.” I put “voice” in parentheses because I understand that just because some kit elements are up stem and others are down stem they don’t necessarily operate as different voices in the same way voices work on pitched instruments. Having said that, I did set the Kick and HH Pedal to be down stem and voice 2 in my Drum Set Kit, but that made no difference. I’ve also chosen the options to “pad voices with rests” and “show bar rests” in the Percussion options within Notation options, but I’m still not getting the rests in this case.

In this screenshot I’d like to see a whole rest towards the bottom of the staff in bar 26 and a half rest in bar 29, to indicate that the kick should not be played.

Any help would be much appreciated!

[jesele]

The rests will show when you continue adding music.

Jesper

You can add explicit rests in the downstem drums if it’s the last measure.

[NFevola]

Hi Jesper. I didn’t find that they appeared on their own, no matter how much music I entered, but I did manage to add in explicit rests by adding a second voice and then entering a whole rest into that voice with force duration. Is that the best way to approach this?

[jesele]

Try using Shift-B, rest in the first bar with the cursor on the bass drum line.

Jesper

[hatta1211]

Hi jesele,

I’m experiencing the same issue as NFevola.

I saw the screenshot you attached: the first bar has a bar rest, and from the second bar, notes are entered in the up-stem voice while a bar rest remains in the down-stem voice. I tried to replicate this by adding a drum set to a fresh Dorico project and entering the same notes, but I couldn’t get the same result. Even after pressing [Shift+B] and typing “rest,” the bar rest didn’t appear.

I have an additional question: is it possible to enter a bar rest in 3/4 time in the same way? If the solution involves using a whole rest as a workaround to look like a bar rest, I’m concerned that a whole rest cannot be entered into a 3/4 bar.

In the third bar of each flow, I’ve entered kick drum notes in the down-stem voice. I’d like to know if it’s possible to display a bar rest in the up-stem voice of that same bar (which is essentially the same situation as the second bar).

If possible, could you please attach the project file you showed in your screenshot? I have also attached my own project file to this message. Could you take a look and see if you can edit it so that the bar rests are correctly entered?

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Untitled Project 3.dorico (1.4 MB)

[jesele]

@hatta1211

I’d like to know if it’s possible to display a bar rest in the up-stem voice of that same bar

See if this solves all your questions. A 3/4 bar rest should be the same as 4/4, I think.

Jesper
Library->Notation Options-> Percussion ->Pad voice with rests.

[hatta1211]

Hi Jesper,

Thank you for your reply! First of all, I sincerely apologize for the long delay in getting back to you.

I realized I had overlooked that basic setting. Indeed, enabling “Pad voice with rests” successfully displayed the bar rests in the down-stem voice in simpler test cases.

However, I have encountered a situation where the bar rests still do not appear even with this option enabled. I have attached my project file for your reference.

In the attached project, I have reset all Notation Options to the factory defaults and only applied the single setting you recommended (“Pad voice with rests”).

In the opening bars, when I enter notes in the up-stem voice (cymbals, snare, toms, etc.), the bar rests in the down-stem voice appear correctly. However, around rehearsal marks [I] and [J]—specifically in bar 68 and bars 74–76—the bar rests in the down-stem voice do not show up at all.

Even if I delete all objects in those specific bars and enter the notes again, the bar rests still do not appear. On the other hand, if I enter notes in the bars before bar 67 or after bar 69, the bar rests behave normally.

I suspect that a “Remove Rests” (or similar) operation might have been applied to bars 68 and 74–76 in the past. Since I am not the original creator of this project file, I cannot be entirely sure of its history.

Could you help me identify what is happening in these specific bars? Additionally, is there a way to restore or force the bar rests to display again?

I apologize if this is slightly off the original topic of this thread, but I hope you don’t mind me asking here as it is very closely related.

Thank you so much for your help!

drums.dorico (2.0 MB)

[jesele]

Like this? I added a bass drum note in the bar before, then deleted it again.

Jesper

drums.dorico (2.0 MB)