Having used cubase for years i thought id give dorico a try and i like it lots, but, im always solving problems i have with it, infact im spending more time solving issues i run up against than creative time. Latest issue is i have a percussion snare track and a percussion drum track and a percussion 1 track that combines them both onto 1 single 5 line stave with opposite voices. I have grace notes for the snare and if i edit the grace on the percussion snare track it changes the grace on the combined track aswell even though they are not linked. The spacing between the grace and the joining note also allignes which is annoying the life out of me trying to work out why this is so. Another issue i have is the flat on the staff labels isnt level with the text like the bassline is off, i can’t figure out what glyph is responding to this so i can manually change it. Its a brilliant program and i love tweaking and stuff but it just seems to be more hassle less creativity
Forgot, i also have custom notes for the graces as on the 5 line grace notes float so i made a custom to drop it to the line
Hi @peter_kinsey, you joined the Forum 11 days ago, and have read it for 22 minutes.
So the statement
is a little drastic I think.
There is of course a learning curve for every complex software, involving understanding the technical and logical aspects of its functionalities, before one can be able to be just creative with it.
If you have specific questions, please ask, but be so gentle and provide us with screenshots and also post the Dorico file that is causing the issue/s. This avoids us to have to recreate mentally what you describe, using by the way a terminology that is not always clear to me (but this is expected, as you probably are learning it).
I did join the forum a few days ago yeah and a rarely come on here because as i said i work things out for myself, i find thats the best way to learn how to use daws etc, but saying that i have been producing professionally for 22 years so maybe i know a little more than 12 days on a forum would suggest.
@peter_kinsey apologies for the slight derailment of your thread – let’s get back to your Dorico issues. Have you got a Dorico file that you can share, demonstrating the issues you name?
Particularly, the grace notes aligning to joining notes, flat accidentals not being level in staff labels (which could be font-specific, as that’s not what happens by default).
When you’re talking about editing grace notes and that affecting both the snare and the combined track, are you talking about the same percussion kit that you’re viewing in eg the score vs the part? If you’re editing the same instrument in a kit, that will affect it everywhere it appears.
(Is the grace note alignment issue related to this, by any chance?)
@Lillie_Harris
I cant read that help topic, i cant get past the cookies as soon as i click the link, i posted another topic about this from another account last week, i cant post a dorico file just yet because its a whole score and i need to isolate what i need first etc. the “flat” issue is deffo a font issue as font.defaultmusicfont when set to bravura text is fine, but im using finaleMaestro text and and some other serif fonts for different things, id like to change the font of the flat used in staff labels completely because it isnt bold enough to show properly in the part layout but i have changed almost every flat i can find in glyphs.xml to no avail, i have made a flat thats bold enough but cant figure out what i need to replace, this issue for me has been an issue for a few months hence why im now on here. The grace issue im working on now, something you said rung a bell to me so im gonna try it later and ill report back if it isnt what im thinking. But the allignment issue is to do with when the note is shrunk to become grace it doesn’t stay in line with the staff line and im assuming this is because its shrunk centered through the notehead rather than from the top or bottom to make it more universal.
Is that in the application itself? Directly editing the factory XML files a bad idea, because it will get overwritten by any future updates. And it won’t copy over to new versions easily.
Its a good way to solve problems, change the glyph name and when you open the application if you changed the correct glyph it wont show, but i also have them modded in the user xml
Try opening it on another browser – are you on your phone or desktop?
Dorico projects make diagnosing issues much easier, even if they’re large, because then we can actually see everything that you see, and not try to read your mind
How are you shrinking notes to be grace notes? Are you inputting grace notes properly? Again, if you can share a Dorico file that you’ve set up in a way that demonstrates this issue, we might be able to solve it more easily.
As far as I see, the center of grace and normal notes are on the same height.
Do you want they are bottom aligned?
And if so, wouldn’t that make the second gracenote look like an D instead of an E ?
Judging from examples across publishers past and present as well as the examples in in Ross and Gould, it would seem to be standard for space grace notes to be centered between the spaces, just like line grace notes are centered on the lines. Sometimes the plate engravers were inaccurate, but the intention to center them (even the ledger line grace notes) seems clear to me at least. Software does this automatically.
If the space between the grace notes and the staff lines bothers you, a grace note head of a more angled shape might actually make it across.
