Amazing . Cubase 14 (Nuendo 14)

Cubase 14’s improvements are fantastic. The expected clip-gain, the ability to change track order from the Mixconsole, and the new score editor in the spirit of Dorico. These three new features alone (and there are more) are amazing. I hope Nuendo 14 won’t be too long in coming. My money’s on the table.

Update: The improvements to the Range tool are also fantastic. And Steinberg has finally corrected the Fisher Price volume knob. Really good work, Steinberg.

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Looks like a great update. The clip gain is a huge improvement.

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Nuendo 13 launched 2 weeks after Cubase 13, Nuendo 14 will probably launch, last week of November.

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In another thread SB said shortly after new year.

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Yes, in early 2025, not too far away. We’d like to yesterday, but it’s wiser to wait and check with Cubase.

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Does anyone know if the issue of you can’t select several tracks from an external DAW controller (such as AVID, DM2000…) has been fixed?.
It happens in Nuendo since version 13, the issue is recognized but one year has passed and it still remains unusable. I think same issue happens in Cubase 13.

We had a gruelling 9 months, but the project is finally done and delivered. And…We are now ready for update . I thought the timing was excellent.

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I’d like to add one more advantage of the new clip gain. It frees up screen space. Since Cubendo can’t integrate automation lines on the track itself (audio or midi), forcing us to open a sub-track, the clip gain means we don’t have to go through this, but instead have the volume information on the main track itself. This allows us to double the size of our screens, so to speak, or at least to avoid overloading them.

Only in very limited applications, as clip gain happens pre-fade by definition.

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As far as I’m concerned, this is extremely useful. Many manipulations, corrections and adjustments can and must be pre-fade.

Of course, but you wrote that we could " instead have the volume information on the main track itself" and that “volume information” is fundamentally different because it is not just pre-fader but even pre-inserts.

So even though it is very useful for a lot of people it is not a substitute for volume automation at the fader.

EDIT: I suppose the substitute would be doing it this way as opposed to having the automation of a plugin or function on the normal place automation lines occur. If that’s what you meant I agree.

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Nope ! still the same only one track can be selected from Eucon S1s

I can’t believe!
One year with this bug and…
Thanks for your comment.

Maybe it’s the translation. I think I wrote: “can’t integrate automation lines on the track itself” (like Pro Tools or Studio One). So the automation isn’t on the main track. It requires a sub-track. Whereas clip-gain is on the main track and doesn’t require a sub-track.

I go on to say that volume automations are still useful for mixing, yes, like inserts, but that clip-gain is more for correction and pre-fader adjustments. I explained all this in the original thread. If you have a singer who sings unevenly, which is true in most cases, and you need to correct certain syllables within a word, or certain attacks or consonants, it’s not track automation that’s going to help quickly, even if it can. It’s the clip-gain, pre-fader. And you keep track automation for mixing, not for basic corrections.

When we talk about corrections on vocals (or on a real instrument), we’re not talking about limited application. It’s almost always essential.

p.s. I have to add another advantage. Even if the option to have the events and their automation track, the thing is risky on a huge and long session. I may be working badly, but there is a slight lag, often, that appears at some point between events and track automation. I don’t know why. What I do know, however, is that the different track versions, of course (logically), share the same automation. This isn’t a problem, but it is limiting, especially if the automation has been used to correct the volume in detail (as I explained above). This is not the case with clip-gain, which is attached to events as such and remains in the box, so to speak. I hope this makes sense.

I wasn’t saying it isn’t useful, it is. You just made it look as if you meant that instead of using fader automation you could finally use clip gain instead, and that doesn’t seem like a substitute because of signal flow.

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After trying clip gain in C14 I have concerns versus how Pro Tools does it.

  • Gain is limited to +6dB. If I want to raise the gain of a part of an event over +6dB I still have to raise the overall clip and then reduce the part I didn’t want to affect instead of just adding the gain I wanted.
  • You need to click on a tool and then click on an event to start drawing the envelope. These extra clips will add up during the day.
  • Switching between range tool and pencil tool is slow for workflow when you want to adjust gain.
  • Multiple levels of gain we need to take into account now. Event volume, event envelope, DOP, and then automation. Why not consolidate event volume and event envelope into a single function so we can scale our envelope changes with the event volume slider as you can in PT?
  • Doesn’t seem possible to convert or coalesce event envelope to volume automation and vice versa like Pro Tools can.
  • Would be nice to have a feature you can simply show all event envelopes and edit as you want and then turn that off so you can use your tools as normal. The PT workflow is tried and true at this point.

I don’t have an S1 but in the Avid Control app I can toggle “Sum Select” on in order to select multiple tracks. Have you tried this on the S1?

I haven’t seen sum select for track selection only for the master control room , which also doesn’t work with Cubase as the Master section in Cubase only support 1 input at a time .

Will the Nuendo 14 include the Dorico-based Score Editor?

It surely will! :+1:t2: