An Input Anomaly Results in Condensing Failure?

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I decided to learn Dorico (and deep dive into the symphony) by inputing Dvorak’s New World.

Two issues at play here: inputing a very simple measure (53) at one point, and failure to condense the next 13 measures.

In the photo below (around m53) you see the Trumpet in E 1 and 2 parts in page view, full score. Prior to what you see here these 2 player’s parts condensed as expected. Suddenly, for no reason I can see or understand, they stop condensing in these 13 measures. Seven measures later they go back to condensing as one would expect. But why will they not condense here?! Dynamics are identical. Articulations are identical. There are no phrase markings. The two parts are rhythmically identical. There are empty measures on both sides of these 13 measures. Even when the 13 measures are completely blank they will not condense!

I have made certain everything is in up-stem voice 1 in both parts–for good measure I selected everything and changed the voice to up-stem voice 1 (even though it already was). I also turned on all signposts to see if anything is hidden here, and I find nothing.

Now, full disclosure, something anomalous once happened at m53 where my note to myself about this issue appears. At one point the quarter note rest on beat one just “disappeared” on its own for no known reason. Oddly, the quarter note C stayed on beat two. It played back correctly. But the rest was somehow “invisible” in both Page and Galley views.

Bothered by this, I tried to delete the contents of the measure and enter the part back. In an empty measure (whole rest), the caret would only allow me to input on beat two. I could not position it on beat one. It simply would not move to the left before beat two. I suspect this has something to do my condensing problem also.

I finally was able to enter the measure contents by copying the identical measure two measures away and pasting it in the offending measure. This was very odd!

So, is there something invisible in this measure (m53) that is preventing condensing?

I even tried doing a forced condensing change although I understood nothing about what I was doing, and nothing changed; so, I undid that immediately.

I first posted this to the Dorico Facebook group. No solution as of yet; so, I thought I’d try here as well.

Scratching my head… Ideas? Thoughts? Incantations??

Many Thx!

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In bar 57 of Trumpet 1 in E - click on the eighth rest, open Properties, click on Rest pos. (and change the value, if necessary). You will now see another rest at the same position. Delete the rest that belongs to Down-stem Voice 1. That section in the Trumpets in E should now condense.

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Thx! Solved. Now, in my effort to learn this program, what were the trouble shooting steps you followed? Usually, when there are rests in a different voice, I can see them. And in a desire to prevent this from ever happening again, how did this little guy get hidden?

But mostly, Thx!

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Firstly, I deleted the contents of bar 65 in Trumpets 1 & 2 in E. When that made no difference I did Undo and tried the same for bar 64, etc., working backwards until a difference was noticed. When I deleted the notes in bar 57, the extra rest was visible. I don’t know how it got hidden, but it was probably because Rest pos. was not enabled thus placing it in the default position of being on the middle staff-line. This might have been as a result of settings in one of the options (Engraving Options or maybe Notation Options) to show/hide rests in additional voices. Although it would not have made it obvious in this case, having View > Note and Rest Colors > Voice Colors turned on is a great help when trying to find the cause of odd notation (such as wrong stem directions and misplaced rests).

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Again, Thank you. Always learning.