Anti AI

[somecomposer]

@MattiasNYC

1: It doesn’t matter if the company owns the music as long as
a) nobody else can profit from it, and
b) nobody else can prevent its use

It doesn’t work this way.

@MattiasNYC

Where else is movie music revenue coming from?

Publishing is only one of the music rights. There are Mechanical Rights, Production Rights, Artist’s Rights. among others.

Other sources of income:

CDs, MP3 albums, Vynil, licences to potential external playback such as trailers and commercials, radio play, theatrical releases,ring tones, printed scores, usage of clips on YouTube, TikTok etc. Including usage of music as played by others on a piano, or other instruments, etc, etc, etc,…

@MattiasNYC

Where did you get that from? You’re not thinking clearly.

Call me crazy, but it seems you want this to happen. I am trying my best to explain why the film-music industry is in a good place, and at no point, anything I mention is satisfactory, as the way you paint this, change is coming and there is nothing we can do about this.

Whatever I state is irrelevant, and in a few years (according to you) we, composers working in low to mid-tier films, will be out of work.

Not that I personally care to be frank. As I said, if it happens, it will be a sad day, but I will happily do something else.

I had a fulfilled career up to this point and, as sad as it will be, the “inevitable” will make it impossible to carry on, as understood from our discussions.

Oh well, I love those cranes that crush destroyed cars. Off to be retrained…

[eirik_myhr]

@somecomposer

Call me crazy, but it seems to me that you want this to happen.

Huh? I’m not reading @MattiasNYC like that at all.

@somecomposer

Not that I care to be frank. As I said, if it happens, I will happily do something else.

I deeply care. Making music is my life. If I can’t do that anymore, I don’t know what I’ll do.

[somecomposer]

@eirik_myhr

Huh? I’m not reading @MattiasNYC like that at all.

OK, cool, this is the vibe I’m getting.

@eirik_myhr

I deeply care. Making music is my life. If I can’t do that anymore, I don’t know what I’ll do.

Same here, but, if change comes as some herald, how will you stop it?

Music won’t stop for me , I will still be creative, but not professionally.

[eirik_myhr]

@somecomposer

No , it’s all under one umbrella. PRS/MCPS is the society for publishing. Musician’s Union is for all musicians.

I believe this is the association you are looking for (previously known as BASCA):

The Ivors Academy: empowering songwriters and composers

[somecomposer]

That’s pretty cool, will check it out, cheers!

[MattiasNYC]

@somecomposer

It doesn’t work this way.

It doesn’t work like that with AI? If nobody can copyright it they can’t profit from it, and since it’s not copyrighted how can its use be prevented?

@somecomposer

I am trying my best to explain why the film-music industry is in a good place,

Just because something is a certain way does not mean it will be a certain way*.

I asked you a not rhetorical question and it really does point out what I’m getting at:

"The movie with your music gets the same share of revenue from me as does the movie with AI music. The revenue stream to the owner of the movie/IP has not changed because of AI. For the movie that you scored there is now a slice that has to be taken out of what I pay that goes to you. For the movie that has AI music that is no longer true, but I still pay the same.

Where would that money go?"

If there is a law against using AI in a movie I would like to read it.

[somecomposer]

Hey man,

I’m bailing out of this thread. I am really bored with discussions about AI and how it will take our jobs.

I am a full time film music composer since 2010. Needless to say, I know what I am talking about.

I have tried to explain how things work, and why it is impossible for AI to take over film music composers. That’s my two cents.

I will unfollow this thread, I apologize in advance if I don’t answer anymore, I am not being disrespectful, I have nothing more to add to this chat.

Cheers.

[MattiasNYC]

@somecomposer

I am not being disrespectful, I have nothing more to add to this chat.

Next time don’t bother engaging in conversation in the first place.

[eirik_myhr]

@somecomposer

I am a full time film music composer since 2010. Needless to say, I know what I am talking about.

So am I, since 2006. And I still worry about AI taking some aspects of my job away from me. Things aren’t so black and white. Many people on this forum have many years of professional experience, and indeed know what they are talking about. Maybe not use your own experience as a reasoning to invalidate other perspectives and quite legitimate questions.

I am puzzled by the somewhat hostile tone in parts of this thread, when you maybe agree more than you think.

Peace

[Albert_MacDonald]

Agree with eirik about with his take on this. We’ve been through this with computers and digital. It has had a big effect on the way we work, but, if anything, it’s made song creation accessible to so many more artists. Because of loops and samples, it’s actually created new genres of music. I’ve been producing music since '81, so I’ve lived through so many changes that now I see something new and wonder ‘what will the changes be, positive and negative’. I just started using some AI plugins and, although it speeds up my workflow, it certainly doesn’t mix my songs for me.
There is a company in Ireland (can’t recall the name at the moment) that’s developing ‘fingerprint-style’ software that will red flag any song that is faking your voice with AI. We went through a stage where the industry had to create laws and systems for people who were using loops and samples from previous artists. The industry is working on it. Railing against it won’t even slow it down. We just have to find ways to protect ourselves, as usual, against the bad guys.

[somecomposer]

FYI (From Mechanical Rights Society) - I can’t respond on this thread as I had to mute (reasons on a comment above).

“Please note that 100% AI-generated works are already out of scope for MCPS registrations as MCPS does not consider them copyright protected and therefore there are no rights for MCPS to administer. The changes that come into effect on 1 January 2025 are to clarify this position and introduce certain remedies”

“Many generative AI technology providers have not licensed the music that was used to train their products, which exposes users to the risk of dealing with copyright infringing services, and of incorporating infringing AI outputs into their own works. MCPS members should only use assistive AI tools where the AI elements are from a validly licensed source.”

In short,

No film production company will use AI and won’t touch it with a barge pole, composers will have to be extremely careful, to not find themselves in court and get fined heavily. In addition , the AI company that provided said AI, will have the right to go for the production company’s copyrights too, agreement or not agreement. The judge will decide that.

Best.

[MattiasNYC]

Have there been any successful lawsuits claiming infringement on the bases of the training material sources of the AI?

Is there currently a mechanism for proving a composition submitted by a human composer was created using AI?

[Albert_MacDonald]

The laws, somecomposer points out, are already starting to take action, but, because (IMHO) this technology is moving so fast and has been adopted so quickly by users, the laws are having a hard time getting ahead of it. It is happening though. I agree that AI assistance, like effects plugins are not a threat; they just speed up workflow. It’s the people who are using AI to intentionally defraud companies that pay for, what they believe to be ‘original, creative’ works from humans.

[Johnny_Moneto]

I am just going to throw this in here… this is want we might see in the future a lot more often.
In case you don’t know the two blokes talking in the vid: They are not musicians.

ai.