Any information when, approximately, we could expect Cubase 12.5 to be released?

In the past Steinberg said they had no such intention … (But that was a year or so ago … )
For me subscription based Cubase is a reason to consider other options. After all, the current Cubase 12 works fine for me.

From memory it was worded more that they had no intention of going subscription only or replacing perpetual licensing, i’ve never seen subscriptions ruled out in entiely.

To me, It seems very likely when you see the portfolio of products & content packs they have which compliment one another. Plus a new licensing system to tie it all in.

Would just be another option for those that would like to jump in on an all-in-one package of (maybe) Dorico/Nuendo/Absolute etc., or business/professionals who prefer to manage their costs month-by-month knowing that all update costs are covered in the one plan.

Seems to make sense what you say there.
As long as I can stay away from subscriptions, I am happy.
Imagine, growing old, that you have to continue paying subscriptions for software you only use to open certain file formats …

To be fair, I dip into the Presonus Sphere subscription as a friend uses Studio One. If I do anything with him i just subscribe a tenner for the month, or whatever it is and have everything available to me - latest versions and everything.

I think in some regards that suits people better than continually updating to remain current for the sake of being current.

Horses for courses, but as you say, as long we can stay away from subs it’s probably good to have options for those that benefit from it. Certainly beats having your software pirated for free, if you can get it out there as a cheaper monthly option.

Those were the days … (Joking, but well we all did it I guess )
But once more, I agree.

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Well, finally the answer came out today! :slight_smile:
The new version of Cubase will be delayed once again at least by a month.
According to this promo statement:

Delay? How you figure that? I’d be surprised if both the target release date and sale start date weren’t set many months (if not years) ago.

Traditionally Steinberg has had spring sales. I can’t imagine they’d schedule a sale right before a release and then grandfathering all the sale purchases into the new version.

It’s kind of amazing we’ve got a thread with 46 (and counting) posts when the Title’s question can be fully answered by a single word - NO

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I figured it out very easily. It’s simple.
Before version 12 Cubase had an yearly upgrade model and the release came out on time +/- few days, or a week.
Since this Cubase Sale was launched and it will be available until the end of March, this means the new version won’t be released before the end of Sale campaign.
At least I hope to see improved audio editing, improved Expression Maps and much closer integration with Dorico.

Greg Ondo has addressed that several times via Club Cubase this year. They aren’t doing subscription for now. Maybe something in the future something will be offered outside of perpetual. Users were loud, and clear about that he said. He also mentioned weeks back that they are working on version 13, and when it’s ready it will be out.

I have Sphere. To me it doesn’t have near the amount of high quality content as for tutorials like Steinberg has. With Steinberg you get Club Cubase where Greg answers questions about Cubase/Wavelab, and others. That’s about three hours. Plus Steinberg provide higher quality stock plugins, and instruments.

They are thinking ahead. If you go to Yamaha’s website they have internships for projects that have to do with Spatial Audio, and AI stuff. Steinberg/Yamaha share technologies from what I read.

As a former b-tester and developer, to my mind, a huge trade-off must’ve been made around the time C45-C5. The reliability of .0 releases improved by an order of magnitude. But you can’t innovate -and- keep to a strict schedule.

Over the long haul I appreciate the strategy. However, I acknowledge that it came at a significant price.

Well someone blurted out yesterday that they are testing 12.0.60 at the moment and i saw that his beta licence runs out in 2 months , please bare in mind it took Steinberg 3 months to sort out the issue with the midi not aligning up so don’t hold your breath

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Well I’m not alone in my DEEP longing for a better VST expression system. Constantly moving closer and closer to Studio One for this one feature! With all the big synchron libraries from VSL it’s SO time consuming to get this in place in Cubase.


Hello @Musicmind and @crabcakecrates,

Definitely you are not alone in your longing for better VST Expression System in Cubase.
The current Expression System is probably one of the most powerful out there, but unfortunately the most terribly designed I’ve ever used. That’s the main reason I’m trying to avoid it as much as possible. For example the team behind Dorico took different approach in the integration of this system, which made it one of the best in my opinion.
Unfortunately the design of the current VST Expression System isn’t linked properly with the Score Editor in Cubase. If you are using Expression Maps sets you could easily end-up with terribly looking scoresheet in the Score Editor, with symbols and text objects that doesn’t have real musical meaning and can’t be easily transferred to a notation software via MusicXML (which is the better method). Fortunately Dorico is here and I don’t need Cubase, that much, as composing tool where I can use virtual instruments. I need it only audio recording, editing, mixing and mastering.
Sill I hope that there will be an unification of the VST Expression System with the one in Dorico, plus the Score Editor. No doubt that Cubase needs more modern and better organized Score Editor, which is properly linked to the Expression Maps.
Actually the A.R.A - like integration of Dorico inside Cubase will make our life very easy, and of course a market game changer. :slight_smile:

Well, I’m not against the subscription method, but just as an alternative for those who prefer it.
Personally I prefer the perpetual licenses and this one of the many things that keeps as Steinberg customer. :slight_smile:

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The one who hated to spoil it for everyone?
Exactly what does any beta license that’s running out, shown on a YouTube video, actually prove?

Not sure if you are aware of this, but you can get a huge amount of expression maps already made for Cubase. It’s called Art Conductor by Babylon Waves. They also make them for Studio One and other daws.

Buy Steinberg Cubase Expression Maps - Art Conductor - Articulation Switching for all major sample libraries and DAWs!

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Hi @nogills,
I suppose most of us, including @Musicmind, are aware of the Art Conductor Expression Maps Bundle.
The main problem with VST Expression System in Cubase isn’t Expression Maps sets related, but design. The Art Conductor sets are completely useless if you would like to use the Score Editor, for example. They are designed as they are going to be used in a separate articulation tracks Long, Shorts, Dynamics… and most of the articulations aren’t mapped to a real musical symbols…
Here Dorico is superior over Cubase because it follows strictly the real music conventions single player per staff / track - whole available articulations, and they are mapped to a real musical symbols and text objects. This is what should happen in Cubase, too. :slight_smile:

Nice. Thanks for sharing. Any place I can get Cubase logic editor presets?

Ahh I see, thanks for explaining. I actually don’t use Cubase, but rather Studio One, for music - so I’m not familiar at all with how expression mapping works in Cubase. I’m just here because I use Nuendo for audio post and a lot of relevant info can be found on Cubase threads :wink: