Any music players with VST3 plugin capability?

No problem. I think I’m getting the idea…

So I’m guessing a bit about the outputs, you’ll want to try a few connections to sort out what’s actually happening.

My initial guess is this…
The chip itself probably has 4 channel outputs total.

My guess is that you get 4 hardware outputs on pins 1-4…

The first 2 will go to the internal speakers in the laptop (See Red Box).
The second 2 will go to the headphone jack (See Green Box).

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Channels 1-4 go directly to hardware.
Channels 5 - 64, you’ll have free for ‘virtual routing’.

For Inputs, it looks like you’ll only have 2 showing up top. Depending on what you plug into the mic jack, you might end up with one signal on channel 1 (mono), a duplicated mono signal (both 1 and 2 have the same signal, perhaps with phase inversion of some sort on the right channel), or a true stereo signal.

You’ll have a number of options for sending a mix to both your speakers and headphones at the same time if you like. One raw and basic example might look like this. The grey LOOPER rail connections might be a bit hard to see here, so look close in the red box. I’ve sent channels one and 2 to LOOPER OUT, and then routed LOOPER IN 1 & 2 to the headphone outputs 3 & 4.

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Note, if you tap those IN MIX, OUT MIX buttons in ASIO Link Pro (most of the rails have one), you can also do connections and gain adjustments in a grid that pops up (the tiny knobs actually turn with the mouse).

You’ll also have options to control different monitoring mixes in Reaper and/or Bidule (as opposed to direct routing on the main asiotool.exe instance). I’ll need to study up how to do independent monitor mixes in Reaper, but I’m pretty positive it’s possible. I.E. Set up two busses on the mixing console with everything routed into both of them in parallel…hence the ability to easily swap back and forth between headphone and speaker monitoring right there in Reaper.

Since you only have one jack to plug stuff in, be aware of whatever options your device might offer for setting the base gain staging for whatever device you plug in. There might be switches for different kinds of mics, vs plugging in line level devices (a keyboard, iPod, whatever).

So, be aware that you might have quite a few options/settings at your disposal for both the inputs and outputs should you run into issues.

I usually start with the outputs by disabling Exclusive modes (so multiple clients can use the hardware all at the same time).

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I also recommend that while doing stuff with Reaper/Bidule, disabling any ‘effects or audio enhancement’ options for your Realtek chip if it offers them. You’ll probably find some faders to gain stage the hardware for speakers/headphones/mic as well. You want the cleanest/purest, unmodified signals you can get.

On the inputs, be careful before you plug something in and power it up. Some chips have ‘protection’ built in and will handle this stuff automatically for you, and some might require you go into settings and tick off options. Cheap mics for something like a laptop will typically be quite ‘low gain’ and send a weak signal (adjust the gain for them in this control panel), while something like an MP3 Player, a music keyboard, or even some guitars/direct boxes/keyboards/etc. might send a pretty hot signal! In the latter cases, don’t forget to check (if possible, toggle between mic or line level options)…if devices send hot signals (I.E. an iPod’s output with headphone amp behind it) pull levels way down on the device before plugging them in and gradually bring it up in tiny increments until it sits at levels you want.

When I get a chance, I’ll come back with some bidule scenarios.

Yes, just spend a little time going through it all so you have an idea of what is there. Should you run into problems getting it all to work the way you want, you’ll have a ‘cognitive’ foundation of some places to go looking for corrections :slight_smile:

Thanks again for all this! Finally back from out of town, but dug into it a bit today. So far, I have routed everything as per your instructions and I`m successfully recording into Reaper from Brave, Winamp, Foobar and Dorico. Recording Bidule into Reaper as well, but only when I choose (in my case, Speakers 02 ASIOVADPRO). Not getting audio when I choose ASIO Link Pro Duplex within Bidule, unfortunately.

Currently trying to get audio from my headphones. Missing something really simple, to be sure.

Gonna keep digging and figuring this all out. In the meantime, here are some screensnaps of my progess so far:

All this is awesome already, let alone when I have my head wrapped around it all! :slightly_smiling_face:

When you choose the ASIO Link Pro (duplex) device, do you get 64 inputs and outputs showing in Bidule?

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Try sending something to ASIO Driver Out MIX pins 3 & 4 in your main asiolinktool.exe instance. Does it come out over the headphones then?

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Affirmative. 64 inputs and outputs.

Nope. Sending anything to ASIO Driver Out MIX pins 3 & 4.. but still no audio.

I’ll try to come up with some tests eventually.
In theory you should be getting audio if you attach something in bidule to the output pins 1 & 2. I.E. set up an audio file player bidule and send its output into a mixer bidule, and then that to output pins 1&2.

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Interesting, you might try some of the other outputs…

Also, take a close look at the Windows Control panel for the speakers and headphones. See if there are any switches or options in there. If the laptop has any kind of special control panel app for audio check that out as well.

I suppose it’s possible that it all goes through the same two channels, and plugging something into the headphone jack simply diverts the audio signal from speakers to headphones instead?

The main reason I suspected channels 3&4 was because of the way it showed up in your ASIO4ALL screen shot several posts ago.

Another experiment might be to disable the speakers temporarily in ASIO4ALL, just leave the headphones active. See if that leads to anything coming through the headphones.

Just try stuff…

Will do! I downloaded the manual to flip through later this week.. and will go through the steps you mentioned previously as well. Thanks again for this.. much appreciated. :slight_smile: