Any Word on Roman Numeral Analysis for Dorico?

I know there are some workarounds but it would be helpful if we could do it in program. Right now, after creating a transcription, I do Roman Numeral Analysis in Photoshop.

You should use a vector drawing package, at least, which can open PDFs or SVGs and edit/add lines, shapes and text without pixelating into bitmaps, as Photoshop does.

However, there are fonts like Dan Kreider’s MusAnalysis, which will allow you to add Roman Numerals for analysis.

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Thanks, I have it. It is great but still functions as a workaround. I cannot do both lyrics and RNA because there is no way for it to distinguish between Lyrics and RNA. Unless I am not understanding it completely.

If you don’t use translation lyrics, you can use that for analysis. Same idea with chorus?? Sorry, I don’t have Dorico and can’t remember, but there’s a couple of other types of lyrics that aren’t used all that often, perfect for analysis using MusAnalysis.

Is it possible to use Roman numerals, with or without Dan’s font
above the staff on one of the chord symbol lines? or do we still have to use lyric lines for roman numerals in D6?

Yes, I think that situation is unchanged. Use Dan’s font, it’s quite useful.

Yea I have MusAnalysis already. It would just be very helpful for me to be able to put them above as a chord symbol line
again..with or without MusAnalysis. Sorry to hear we still can’t do that.

Hi. I don’t understand why you insist on the chord line. If you want your analysis to be above the staff, you can use lyrics and flip them (F) so that they sit above. Or use the Text tool (which, with the new paragraph styles settings, can be very useful for this task). I don’t see why it should stop you :person_shrugging:

I’d much prefer to have it as a chord line. I use Berklee style analysis which often has both roman numberals and right above or below the roman numerals the real chord
 Different strokes for different folks, but that is why I “insist” on doing it. Of course there are tedious manual ways to do it, but its unfortunate we can’t use a chord line, especially since the updates to chord symbols has made it now possible to use more the one chord line, not only that its possible to have the extender lines in order to for example say Glydian or whatever to encompass a whole section or phrase. Also the new curved arrow lines that were added to D6 are extremely useful for Berklee type analysis
and so basically th only last thing is let me put the roman chords up there too! Otherwise it’s just too much hassle most of the time to try to do it manually with lyrics and stuff, the point for me is to have it up there in a dedicated chord line. That is what I insist on yes, but no I don’t want to do all the manual stuff you just expressed, I can always draw things manually
but I don’t want to have to do that. Thanks for listening

Here are some examples:


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That would help me as well, although I prefer being able to choose where to position each type of analysis (for me, it’s below tablature, above notation, or in between. I’d prefer the jazz style of analysis above the notation, the Roman Numeral below the tab, with the option for in between when spacing becomes an issue).
Then add a broader catalog of mode names (phrygian dominant/Oriental/Byzantine, for example).

Bump for this post.

I find that a professional music notation software should do roman numerals out of the box. For us teachers (probably a good number of Dorico customers) it is absolutely necessary. I hope the Dorico team will someday consider this request.

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Yes, it seems that Dorico caters to composers while there are a great number of obstacles for teachers. Not a critique so much as an observation.

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I think there are currently two ways:

  • using ‘lyric text popover’ (shift + l) with MusAnalysis font
  • using ‘system text popover’ (shift + x) and MusAnalysis font

Am I correct?

Which is preferable, the lyric text or the system text?

I input RNA and functional analysis together with the figured bass number.

Lyrics are absolutely the better way. They can be manipulated and adjusted as a line. And it’s easy to advance the lyric popover to input a row of analysis.

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You’ll find that composers are still complaining about stuff that they still need/want, just as much as teachers, editors and publishers, performers of every genre, and every other group of users. Daniel has said that they can’t afford to exclude anyone; so even if a feature isn’t present yet, you shouldn’t surmise that your ‘group’ is being ignored.

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Maybe a naive question, how can you achieve the curved lines between the chord numbers?

They’re avalaible amongst the Lines in Dorico 6:

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Thank you:)

The example I gave above was not taken from Dorico, it came out of a textbook. I actually do not know how I could easily recreate that example in Dorico, as lyrics are in the wrong place to insert Roman numerals in this case, the new chord feature would have, however, been great for it, but
 I guess we can’t.

You can easily position lyrics above the stave and have multiple lines of them.