Automation 101 Question

I have a simple automation question that has vexed me for years.

If I am going to automate my drum buss, knowing I only want to push the drums up a tiny bit in choruses but know that I want it to go back to its original value, I have always started the track at the baseline value, right before the song hits I move the fader up (or down) and back to the original baseline. This sets the beginning point. THEN I go ALLLLLL the way to the end of the song and take the base level and move it down. That gives me a standard baseline for the entirety of the song and then I am free to push and pull wherever I want. This is MY method.

If it sounds dumb and clunky, it is, but it’s the way I have been doing it all these years.

                    There HAS to be a better way.

Is there?

Have I missed a critical tutorial or lesson on automation?

I am hoping that someone here has a “Hey you silly person, this is how it should be done” trick that will blow my mind!

I am all ears on the better way to do this.

You don’t tell which program version you’re using, so…
Automation:
select the track you want to automate.
click the W button (write).
Click the track in the low left corner.


This opens the automation lane (Volume should be the choice in the automation lane).
Select the draw tool or the line tool to draw in automated volume setting.
Turn off the W button and let the read button on.
The fader will follow the volume line you have drawn when you start playbak.
The automation line can be edited afterwards if you’re not satisfied.

Thanks for the reply.

I am using 14 pro (bought 15 just not DL’d it yet). I also have a CC121.

I know how to do basic automation, my issue is wanting a solid baseline that i automate from. I hope i am describing this in a way that makes sense.

Right now if i started fresh on automation at -5 and i moved the fader to 0, the automation would not automatically drop back to -5 when i let go of the fader.

This is why i create ‘anchor points’ on the beginning and end of the track. That way anything i do in-between will always jump back to my baseline level. Hopefully i am making sense. Are you suggesting that i simply draw in a point at the beginning and end of the song? Will that work?

This might be one of those odd differences between Cubase and Nuendo.

Anyway, assuming that you can’t do this just using “touch” and that you don’t have virgin territory turned on, have you tried using Touch**+Trim**?

If you’re wanting to do it by feel with a physical fader, my method won’t be of any help, but here’s what I do in that scenario (not using faders at all).

First, I make sure the volume of the drum bus group track’s fader is at the baseline volume I want.

Next, I go to the first section I want to raise (or lower) from the baseline, and add four automation points to the volume automation for that track – two slightly before the start of the section I want to raise/lower and two just afterward. How far before or after the section that will have a different volume depends on how long, and how smooth, I want the transition. For example, maybe there is a transition measure before the chorus and I want a smooth ramp over the course of that measure, or maybe I want the change to be more sudden (the latter could conceivably just use step automation instead of ramp automation, in which case maybe only one point at that end of the section would do).

Next, I select the two central points of those four points I’ve added, generally just typing in the new level I want in that section, though I could also deal with it with the mouse to raise (or lower) those. (If I want a ramp up or down in the course of the section, then each point would need to be adjusted separately.)

Finally, if I want to adjust the curve of the ramp at the start and/or end of the section, I’ll tweak the curve itself with the mouse.

Of course, after that, if there are more sections to do, I’ll rinse and repeat.

If I need to make changes later, for example to the whole drum bus level, preserving the basics of the changes, later, I’ll either use a VCA to raise/lower the level or just select all the automation nodes and type in a value however much higher or lower I want it to be in the field for that in the info line. I tend to use the VCA if I’m experimenting, possibly replacing it with the permanent changes once I’ve decided on any fixed amount of raising/lowering. Of course, it’s also possible to automate the VCA or manipulate any of the automation points directly if changes beyond just a fixed amount of raising/lowering of the whole automation are needed.

As for physical fader use, or automating virtual faders with mouse movements in real time, while I’ll sometimes do that, it’s rarer for me as I don’t feel like I have the same level of control (bad mouse/fader skills, maybe?) as I do by just entering values.

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I dont even know what this is. Can you elaborate a bit?

When you enable “Trim” automation the fader will “trim” the level that already exists. So if you have set your baseline for the entire timeline and just want to ride it up for a section you can enable trim and move the fader up for as long as you want the level louder, and the amount you move the fader up is added to the existing value.

I was basically thinking that if plain old “touch” doesn’t work then maybe Trim+Touch might.

I am going to give this method a try! Thanks Mattias!

Yes, draw in a new point, and edit the value to -5 in the info line , click return, and you’re done!

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