I need to understand how to modify notes and tied notes.
I know that I can lengthen or shorten the piano-roll-style note with somekeys+arrow on the right.
I know that I can move the entire note or tie chain with somekeys+arrow.
Let’s address a complex case where a long note encompasses more that one measure so it is a tie-chain, and it has a starting point in the first measure, that can be any, and it also have an ending point in the last measure, that can be any.
I do not like this Dorico way but I have purchased the license so I kill the time learning its functioning. So newcomers behold: I am not endorsing Dorico at all asking here for support.
I just want to know how to change the starting point at the left. I do not mean moving the tie chain to the left and then lengthening on the right, also it would scramble the tie chain, although according to certain rules that are infixed in the Dorico way and the options I could have chosen I do not even remember.
(pardon me but I am accustomed to graphical editing of modern apps)
I mean doing the same of somekeys-arrow but on the left, like in a real piano roll I were dragging the start point, without going to the real piano roll mode of Dorico.
So I mean that the first measure certainly will change according to my backward lengthening.
I think either it is not in the manual or videos.
I know it can be done in different ways, that is, changing the caret grid step, for example if I just want to use the arrows to shorten of a 1/16 I have to change the step amount in the first place, then remember to revert to have the previous caret grid again for future use (I do not like having to do it); or opening some popover dialog and entering a command like +1/16 or -1/16, for right or left.
I need on the left, please.
I hope I explained enough well.
Thanks
The really simple way is to enter a new note at your desired start point and hit T.
(But I know you won’t like that. As you have made abundantly clear on this and other posts, you won’t accept anything that anyone suggests if it doesn’t fit your tiny world view)
Excuse me sir, what amount of good will a person is intended to have with this application?
Do you certainly admit that your suggestion is not acceptable?
This ever-lurking possibility of losing the already done work for notes and tie chains is very common. I chose an example that I very often find myself involved, when long chains are on the staff it is not acceptable having to calculate myself this kind of starting/ending points or procedure to mantain the notated structure.
If I understand correctly, no you can’t drag the left edge only of a tie chain, like you would in a DAW piano roll.
least stressful way in write-mode is to untie the chain, correct the starting point and re-tie the lot.
alternatively you can use Dorico’s piano roll as you would normally in a DAW.
Or, if you haven’t entered the notes with ‘Force Duration’ and know the grid amount you want to move the start by, then something like 6 alt-left alt-shift-right is a Dorico-native way.
I will try different methods but I am sure you will admit that if I have to use your method I have to change the notation before the new position so to make space for entering a new note, if is not empty, this is likely to change the previous notation structure, because it is likely that I did not forced duration or made something to prevent that.
When I add the new note the previous notation changes again, then when I tie the note to the tie chain the previous notation will change again. This does not happen every time for sure because it depends on the previous notation itself, but I think you understand what I mean. You have also to take into account the grid step amount it have to be done and the differences in the outcomes according to that amount.
I think many people just have to copy music, and that is simpler than inputting notes that are not known in advance. It’s not trial and error, it is just a creative process different from other uses.
Thanks, can you explain more about the differences in the use of the piano-roll-mode in regard to having or not having force duration enabled? Can you make some simple examples with single notes or tie chains?
I did just try some tie chains, went to the bottom panel, dragged edges left and right and it works pretty much as expected.
There is a ‘but’ though.
If you drag over existing notes then the dragged bit will be merged with those notes and you’ll get a lot of ties…In other words it won’t automatically put the note that you’re dragging into a new voice - you’ll have to do that manually with shift-v or v if you’ve already got a free voice at that point.
[EDIT] you wrote
I wonder whether this isn’t at the heart of your frustrations. Some people will chime in saying that they have no problem composing in Dorico. Well that’s good for them, but personally I couldn’t think of a worse app to compose the kind of stuff that I do in the way that I do. If this is your only music app at the moment, then you’ll need to be more zen and fix how it looks right at the end as a separate task.
However I do not even enter in this piano-roll mode or in its subtleties like that you describe. I do not need a new voice to do that for sure. I wonder how this even comes up as a suggestion, to be sincere.
Furthermore, in addition to what I said earlier, I think that when moving the chain to the left the remaining part on the right can undergo a new notation scrambling, that is, it reverts to another preferred Dorico notation or a previous one, and I could even be unaware of that scrambling happening on the far right of the music, indeed that measure could be very far apart so I cannot see the scrambling happening from the current editing point. This would mean simply altering the music in random positions of the staff, after having edited it, me being unaware of that.
As to the composition use it is not even necessary to be wanting to compose with Dorico, because also arranging or orchestrating encompasses creative process and various attempts and adjustments before getting to the final form to be fixed in the score.
If you post an actual example it will be easier to get help. Your posts are quite general and abstract and so the replies will tend to be equally general and abstract.
[EDIT] with the piano roll, dragging the left edge only re-notates the first bar, as you would want. How Force Durations is set will determine only how the ‘dragged’ bar looks.
While essential to the overall way in which it works, Dorico’s tied note behavior does have some negative side effects. Perhaps the capability of dragging any note left or right to extend its duration, as in DAW mode, might be added as an option.
not sure this has been shared, but it might help clarify many frustrations. These concepts are the basis for using the software. You can agree or disagree, but here they are
