Bad implementation of Event Volume Curves - What is your Opinion?

Hey there,

I already posted this to reddit as soon as the Event Volume Curves feature came out with Cubase/Nuendo 14.

My thoughts:

  1. I tend to not use the Editor at all, because most of its features are accessible in the playlist/track view already. There not much “editing” to the Editing tab.
  2. Still it’s kind of great, because it provides an instant isolated view of the selected clip without zooming a huge session.
  3. The Editor already has a drawing features !! WHY only limit it to tiny sample based drawing?
  4. The Editor features a gain scale which is great if you want a reference for your gain adjustments. You can’t get this in the playlist/track view (at least I did not find it).

What are your thoughts on this? I think the Event Volume Curves features could be implemented way better and it’s pretty much almost there. Steinberg just has to move it to the Editor tap and have it accessible at both views, which would also be possible because it’s not a gain automation that it fixed to the playlist - the event volume curve is per event and also sticks to event if you move it.

Again missed opportunity for the Editor and Event volume curves feature. :frowning:

My perspective is obviously adjusting clip gain on vocals trough a whole session. using the gain scale a rough reference for there they should be.

The hitpoint and segment detection is all good.. but non of this is accessible in the Editor tab. What do people actually use this tab for?

The editor, that you refer to, is called Sample Editor in Cubendo.
The Sample Editor shows clips and lets you edit on a clip basis. However, the volume envelope does not work on a clip basis but applies to an audio event.

So in order to allow the event volume envelope to be editable in the Sample Editor Steinberg would need to ditch the current concept of said editor altogether.

Please don’t think that I am a big fan of the status quo, I merely describe the current situation.

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Thank you so much for the clarification!

Could you explain the difference between an audio event and a clip?

Does Clip refer to both audio event and midi clip?

Sure, have a look at this post:

In this post I wrote that we rarely work with clips. However, everything that we do in the Sample Editor is clip based. That is also the reason why Cubase will ask if we want to create a “new version” when we change something e.g. in Vari Audio.New version simply means new clip (and a new file on the hard drive).

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The pencil tool in the sample editor was always just for direct sample manipulation an thus only can be used when the waveform display in the sample editor isn’t filled anymore but only a thin line. It can be useful in certain scenarios, but I agree that the error message is maybe not optimal and can be confusing. Very different purpose though than clip gain.

I think the editing of the clip gain could be a bit more fluid overall, but it is way better and more usable than anything that came before. I am not sure that I’d prefer it to be in the sample editor, I probably wouldn’t mind it, but it could be complicated to implement it from an UX point of view, what with the pencil tool already being used for sample manipulation. You could introduce a new tool for it, but then that would be different from the one in the arrangement view. Could be tricky.

@nottwentyseven

If you haven’t looked into this yet, Cubase provides a ton of Zoom keys that are definitely worth mapping and memorizing.

For example,

Zoom Selected Event
+
Undo Zoom

are invaluable editing workflow functions.

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Event gain.

Dammit… :laughing:

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