Bar numbers and local time signatures

[MicheleGalvagno]

In this post, we went through creating local time signatures that worked without breaking barlines.

Now there are two issues:

1. these local time signatures (12/8,8 and 4/4) are breaking multi-bar rests. Is there any way around that? For now I am forcing almost useless cues in them, hoping the orchestra does not complain. Otherwise I guess I have to extract the part with a Save As?
2. Look at the grey bar numbers in Galley View, they are perfectly fine. If I select bar 7 in the Horn (or in any instrument that has these local TSs), the status bar gives bar 6 (the 7 is because of the selected slur). In the part layout bar numbers are broken too. The floating 12/8 are playing techniques to make condensing work. Is there a proper way around this or should I:
   1. Hide wrong bar number
   2. Create local text object with bar number paragraph style
   3. Hide it in the score

?

Thank you!

[Janus]

The 12/8 is a pickup bar. Dorico considers pickup bars to be part of the previous bar. In the affected layout, just add a bar number change to realign bar numbers.

Yes, the second TS reset will break a multi-rest. But why would you want the pickup bar to be empty?

[MicheleGalvagno]

Very good points!

@Janus

The 12/8 is a pickup bar. Dorico considers pickup bars to be part of the previous bar. In the affected layout, just add a bar number change to realign bar numbers.

Bar number changes affect only the selected layout?! Woah! That’s huge!

@Janus

Yes, the second TS reset will break a multi-rest. But why would you want the pickup bar to be empty?

The problem is not here in the picture but in the bassoons. The first one plays, the second is silent but they need to condense in the score and if I remove the extra TS it will all collapse …

[Janus]

@MicheleGalvagno

The first one plays, the second is silent but they need to condense in the score and if I remove the extra TS it will all collapse …

Perhaps make a condensing change???
(Hard to test without seeing the file)

[MicheleGalvagno]

Sadly no, it doesn’t work. Will try to extract an excerpt in the morning but cannot guarantee… As soon as I remove the local TSs from the Bassoon II and try to force a condensing, the music for the first bassoon disappears from the first system and condensing breaks from the second system onwards.

[charles_piano]

Regarding bar numbers, since this is the title of the thread: if you have a pickup bar that is shorter than the displayed time signature (for example 12/8,8), and you want it to be included in the bar numbering, you can select it, enable the “Group first bar as pick‑up” property and leave the square blank.

“First bar” is a bit misleading here, since it can apply to any “pick-up” bar in the score.

[charles_piano]

And would it be an option to skip the local pick-up time signatures and simply enter 12/8 as text?

[MicheleGalvagno]

@charles_piano

you can select it, enable the “Group first bar as pick‑up” property and leave the square blank.

This is perfect, thank you so much!

@charles_piano

And would it be an option to skip the local pick-up time signatures and simply enter 12/8 as text?

Perhaps it would but not at this stage of the project. And imagine that the original version of the piece (for voice and piano, now orchestrated) had voice in 4/4 and piano all in 12/8. It would’ve been so much easier… instead, when orchestrating, he put 12/8 and 4/4 changes throughout … madness …