Barline joins

I am stumped. How can I get Dorico to join the barlines across the three staff piano part here?

Anything I try to do joins the upper two piano staves to the solo parts above.

Can you only do this if the change is at the start of a system line and not offset like this?

Well I just found this:

That means I am stuck (to put it politely) doesn’t it?

In this case moving that partial bar at the front squashes the previous system well over 100% and that’s no good at all and causes lot of problems in that system (far too tight setting with accidentals being crushed.)

I make adjustments like this in Affinity Publisher.

I bet we can solve this. I find I can change barline connections before an added staff actually appears. A couple questions:

  • Is this in fact one Piano instrument? (If so, I wonder why the barlines aren’t already connected.)
  • Are you using the bracketing tools and not the “Barline joins all staves” property?

@Romanos Yuck!

@Mark_Johnson It’s bass clarinet and piano. The piano needs three staves from time to time.

I am using the bracketing tools.

Doesn’t the note in the manual mean this cannot be done (and dare I ask, why not? It’s perfectly musically correct.)

At the beginning of the piece, temporarily add a third staff to the piano and join the barlines across all three piano staves:

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Then when you add the third staff to the piano later, the barlines will already be joined across the piano staves:

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Brilliant!

@johnkprice Interesting. Have you hit this before too?

But a solution hit me today out of the blue while not even working. Just make the first partial bar have three staves and problem is solved.

I don’t mind not having the join at the start, as one could almost argue that it is not correct there (sort of).

Hi @Andro , I don’t know if this applies to your Project, but I found that dragging the newly created square bracket (that interrupts the connection with the added staff) to embrace all three staves, when released, it reestablishes the desired joints automatically:

CleanShot 2024-07-18 at 14.19.31

Here the file to experiment:
barlines joints.dorico (551.3 KB)

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  1. Yes, @johnkprice’s solution is exactly what I meant. :slightly_smiling_face:
  2. Now I see the reason the barlines were not connected in the first place is (notice, @Christian_R) @Andro is not using a brace.

A little addition/similar method:
for the ones that love using shortcuts, it is enough to select the lower control point (the upper and lower control points selection is switchable with TAB )at the beginning of the added staff and use Alt+Down arrow. Here an example with the modified brackets and barlines as in the OP:
CleanShot 2024-07-18 at 17.35.03

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