Beam extension question

Thanks for this response. For what it’s worth I would hate to imagine that Dorico was just implementing things that had been ‘published’ and not thinking about how notation should be flexible for composers to innovate rather than constrict their ideas. Ive taken the liberty of making an example (using Dorico) that illustrates my point: Behold a cantilevered beam with a musical purpose :slight_smile: …it would be nice if this was easier to make though.

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Got it! So @jesele was right on target earlier. Thanks for taking the time and trouble to share, @Jspeak. (I still can’t recall having seen this before, but I hated to “miss out” on something if it was indeed super common.) With the arrow extensions and (“x 8,” etc.) repeat indications this now makes a lot more sense to me.

I assume the use of “lead-in” beam extensions at the beginning of each new group is a way of showing that it’s an essentially continuous “murmur” with just the fleeting grace note interruptions…??

As for Dorico’s intentions, I will let a member of the team respond should they choose. (I’m just a curious fellow user.)

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I really appreciate your interest Judd, Im sorry, being new to Dorico I really didn’t know how to ask my initial question properly i guess. Yes, the overhanging beams on the next bar indicate an unbroken continuation of the texture.

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As I mentioned, a beam extension tool would come in handy for very practical things, an illustration of which appears at:

At this point, the only way to accomplish the broken beams in the Debussy example in Dorico is the ingenious, but complex workaround kindly supplied by @johnkprice

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Even a blind…
:grinning:
Jesper


one famous example is this one

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Finally seen in the wild :slight_smile: – thanks.

I was just playing around:

it’s relatively easy to extend a beam with hidden notes:

I did not find a way to flip the stem attachment of the lower notes (besides fuddling with an extra notehead set) - any ideas?

Maybe not very good but removed automatically resolve collitions…
and then some note spacing

Jesper

with automatically resolve collitions…

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mine attempt gives imperfect results, is it possible to move the notes by a smaller amount than alt+arrow?

Yes, cmd-alt-shift arrow I think.

Jesper

yes it works! but there is still something :grinning: :grinning:
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Good enough for jazz.

:smiley:

Jesper

I guess now: creating a Notehead Set for this might be the better solution

it’s absolutely invisible if you don’t hard zoom in !

Yes, easier most certain if you have many.

Jesper

mm don’t think so, messing with noteheads it’s not so easy, changing the stems attachment points etc…

I reproduced this with no effort just didn’t know the shif alt cmd arrow trick!!

btw i’m happy this is doable! i’m just writing a piano piece which involves many clusters written in this way!

Here is one with wrong side noteheads.
Created the notes in the upper staff. Shift-i 1 for unisons and m to cross staff them. Then just move the beam in engrave mode and change the noteheads on the upper staff.

Jesper

Edit: if good enough you can just star/default my wrong side notehead for future use. I only did the filled notehead.

wrong-side.dorico (506.3 KB)

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Thanks @jesele ! :pray: