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I am sorry if this topic has been discussed in the forum already but I could not find the answer.

Any one know how to force the notation to be (1/16, 1/16, 1/8) tied to a 1/4. I am able to get (1/16, 1/16, 1/8) tied to a 1/8.

Thank you for any help
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You can always use Force Duration (O) and then enter precisely what you want.

Thank you Pianoleo for your help. Do you know if is some general way, (i.e. time signature recipy) that will do it in the whole piece in a general way?

Best regards,

Hi Carlos
Have you tried [1+1 +2+4]/16 ? [Edit] now that I see the picture attached, I guess it’s probably what you have done! No better than Leo, use force duration when needed…

I’d answer the question about meter but you haven’t actually said how long the bar is.

What is it? 2/4? 3/4? 4/4? Something different?

Dear Pianoleo ans Marc,

Thank you for pointing me in the right direction: the beat grouping. Marc, I deleted the time signature and pasted your suggestion on it. I don’t know why it doesn’t produce any kind of time signature. I then tried [1+1+1+1]/4 and got the same results (I though for sure this will break the double dotted 1/4 notes and even the 8th notes which I would not want to break).

Please let me know if you have any suggestions to accomplish this in a general automatic way.

Best regards

Dear guitarlos,
It’s strange that doesn’t produce any kind of time signature, because here it gives me a kind of 8/16. I realize it does absolutely not what you need, because with my setting I get two independent 16th notes, one 8th note and one quarter. This is when I read your first post again. And something is wrong in your demand. You want the first beat with beamed notes (two 16ths beamed to an 8th) tied to a crotchet, right? But how many beats are there in your bar? Is this rhythmic pattern beginning on the first beat or not? Pianoleo had read that #1 post better than me, given his #5 answer :wink:
[Edit] Now I see you’ve posted a better picture. So you’re in 4/4, and you want it to show the beat boundaries. I think your idea to go [1+1+1+1]/4 is the right way. There should be a Notation options (Shift Cmd N) that does what you want.
Here’s my rendition with that time signature :

It does work as you want, for bar 5 and the last bar…
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Dear Marc,

Thank you for your answer. Check the last image I am attaching to see what I get. I am also posting another one with the ideas of how I would like some notes to be grouped. Any thoughts I really appreciate.

The attachment does not correspond to any of the actual music but a general grouping idea
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In the Note Grouping section of Notation Options, try setting the maximum allowed Humber of dots to 1, and I think there might be an option in there that allows minims/half notes to cross the middle of the bar.

Does that help?

Dear Pianoleo,

Thank you for your advice. Yes, it does help the double dotted notes. I am attaching the results.
Do you have another advice for (beats 1,2 bar 5), (beats 2,3 bar 6)?

Thank you for your time
Best regards

this is the general idea of what I would like to get

For bars 5 and last, the setting that works is this one :

For bar 7, force duration is the only way I think (I’ve tried some settings, but since it crosses the half bar, I don’t find anything to have that half note appear)
I’m sorry I’ve missed some posts…


That’s great, thank you.

Just to abuse your kindness, would you give me the steps you would do to force the duration for bar 7? I tried but don’t manage to do it very well. I mean to fix what I have. I know how to do it when inputing the music.

Thank you and Pianoleo for sharing your great knowledge of Dorico.

Best regards

Dear guitarlos,
You cannot apply force duration afterwards yet. That means you have to re-enter the notes with force duration on and choosing the values you want. Select a tie chain you want to change, press u to cut the tie, and enter your notes. You can press t between each note of the tie or tie them at the end of the re-input. The important thing is that you input ALL of the notes that will be tied. This prevents Dorico from rewriting the rhythms.
Hope it helps!!!

Dear Marc,

Thank you so much for all the details, that helps a lot.

Best regards