The tap tempo was not discontinued. It can be found in the Transport Bar now. So you should be fine.
We others are unhappy that the non-tapping part was thrown overboard by Steinberg.
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Yes, tap tempo is there , but it doesnāt calculate the average tempo of several taping in CUB13 , it shows only the tempo of the last taping, or Am I wrong ?
I also am wondering this ā¦
I have the latest version of cubase on Mac OS (13.0.30), and I canāt find any tools that serve me as accurate as the beat calculator. As a sound designer for Radio I use beat calculator on a daily basis. Now Iāve been thrown years back in time calculating beats manually again. None of the features I could find in cubase 13 are accurate. tempo detection nor the tempo tap function are anyway near accurate.
Today I have to know the bpm of this new track Goldy by eels. I need it so I can set the tempo track in order to be able to put accurate delays on the vocal track of my VO. This is what the tempo detection makes of it.
In stead of a fixed value, I get countless different values between 90 and 98 bpm. I donāt understand how to be satisfied with a margin of 10%! While other apps like mixed in key have a margin of 1% and most of the time is spot on! Come on Steinberg! You should be able to do better. And if not, please give us back the good old beat calculator.
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i Agree, None of the new tempo tap functions replace the beat calculator or do better job. they really need to bring it back alongside the new tap tempo, cuz it could calculate tempo by range, and none of the new ones do it !!
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Itās such an odd omission.
The only thing I could think of is the code for the old system was actually a third party solution and the licensing ran out.
Personally for me 13 was not worth the upgrade. Perhaps 13.5 will fix these numerous omissions but I have less and less faith in Steinberg these days to listen to the people who give them money.
Just to be fair with steinberg, they also donāt listen to people that donāt give them money !!
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I were sure they would bring it back by now !
is it just a plain stubbornness from Steinberg ?
i donāt get it !
What was the exact reason why this important elementary function was removed?
I needed this Beat Calculator yesterday again.
But nothing. Catastrophe.
Beat Calculator should be delivered again in a small interim C 13.0.x update
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I think it was a third-party code that SB licensed. When the license ran out, they made their own version.
It has happed a few times over the years.
I know this has been the case for some VST instruments in the past, but functions in the main program?? Sounds far fetched to me. Do you have any examples?
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Actually I do.
I was asking on a Cubase live stream about a feature that they had back in the OS9 days (groove maps? it was a while ago) and he said
āOh yeah, that was from Synchocode (some company name) we donāt have the license anymore.ā
Large software products are made up of a huge selection of code, some open source (quite a discussion amungt programmers about using 3rd party packackes in their work), some licensed, some APIs from OS providers.
Also, if they have licensed some code from a 3rd party, they might be limited in what features they can provide to replace it - if itās too close to an existing solution (especially one theyāve recently licensed) then lawyers get involved.
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Sorry to say thisā¦ but Beat Calculator is just normal mathā¦
There is no magic or mystical code behind it. 
It wonāt have anything to do with license trouble, thatās complete nonsense.
In case of the old A1 synth (Waldorf) Prologue/Mystic/Spector (VirSyn) and Loopmash vsti (two guys from spain?) it had to do with thirdparty licenses expiring.
Itās not simple math calculating of beats, you have to also analyse the audio precisely. Pretty sure itās just too old and non compability codeā¦ they have been cleaning old code for a while, probably for future proof and taking advance of new techs
I think youāre confusing Beat Calculator with Tempo Detection. The latter needs to analyze audio. Beat Calculator has no analysis whatsoever.
Very unlikely as the code for Beat Calculator is so trivial it cannot be patented. If Steinberg had to license that code from a 3rd party they should be put out of business right here, right now.
Here is what it does:
Read variable "range/selection duration" // this variable is available in Cubase at all times
User input "amount of beats"
Calculate ("amount of beats" * 60) / "range/selection duration"
Output result to dialog
Additionally:
Button āinsert tempo at project startā
Button āinsert tempo at start of range/selectionā
That is really all if you strip the tap tempo away from it.
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You are correct, my mistake mixing 2 different things
Your attempts at āresolvoingā and generally dealing with this issue have been VERY DISAPPOINTING to read, to say the least (on every SINGLE one of the threads Iāve looked through about the removal of Beat Calculator).
And thatās it. Iām done. Iām out. Screw this DAW.
I thought you guys were onto something, you know. I really did. You have VERY aged softwhere here. Very refined and polished, software, but also very aged. The workflow is clunky and many of the menus are bloated and need major streamlining. Before 13, it was horrenous. But with 13, you guys added a number of quality of life improvements that really helped overall.
But lo and behold, I come to find that while I can do my orchestral and instrumental work just fine in this DAW (using the excellent midi features to easily craft all kinds of musical pieces) that it really suffers when it comes to remixing and playing with ideas. Why? Because of the REMOVAL OF BEAT CALCULATOR.
I donāt always compose original music. Sometimes, I prefer to take existing music and play with them in all kinds of different ways, just for fun. And a very vital component of doing this is to be able to have the tempo matched to any music you throw into the DAW, especially music that has a VARIABLE TEMPO. With Beat Calculator, it was a simple task to have Cubase match the tempo (and from there, I could add in VST drums or anything else, all matched up to the beat of the original file I threw in there).
But now, there is NO WAY to do this. Every āalternativeā method Iāve used IS GARBAGE.
And I donāt care if I can still compose in this DAW. I donāt even care that I actually make money from these compositions, either. When I want to relax and play around with audio files for my own enjoyment and recreation, it would be nice to have a DAW made by a company that isnāt boneheaded enough to remove a basic feature like this!!!
So Iām out. Maybe Iāll go back to Studio One. I mean, hell, it was designed by the same guy who designed Cubase anyway (Wolfgang Kundrus). I absolutely ABHOR companies who make bad decisions.
First it was with Sonar, when Gibson tried to force a sub onto us (and then discontinued Sonar altogether, after which they went completely bankrupt). Then it was with Fender buying Studio One. Then Waves tried to force a sub onto its users (after already having a shady overall business model). And then you had Spitfire Audio (who put out a very poor VST called Abbey Road One, which didnāt even have legatos - a problem that was NEVER fixed). And this is how you essentially become blacklisted by someone like me.
So plain and simple, Steinberg can now join the club with all of these other loser companies. Iām out.
YOU DO NOT REMOVE ESSENTIALS TOOLS THAT MANY OF YOUR CUSTOMERS USE, WHEN YOU ARE ALREADY STRUGGLING TO KEEP UP WITH NEWER, MORE INNOVATIVE AND FRESH DAWS. YOU JUST KEEP THINGS THE WAY THEY ARE AND ENHANCE THE USER EXPERIENCE. AND WHEN YOUR CUSTOMERS TELL YOU ā IN SO MANY WAYS ā THAT THEY REALLY DIDNāT LIKE THE REMOVAL OF A PARTICULAR FEATURE, ADDRESS IT DIRECTLY AND TRY YOUR BEST TO REALLY RESOLVE THE ISSUE. WHAT YOU DONāT DO IS JUST IGNORE THEM AND CONSTANTLY SAY āIT HAS BEEN RESOLVEDā.
No it hasnāt. IT HASNāT.
Behavior like this from a company really irks me.
So thatās it. Soon as I find a replacement, Iām out. ZERO money to this company ever again.
Congratulations. Itās not that hard to run a business in a level-headed, sensible way. I shouldnāt even have to be here typing this.
HORRIBLE.
(And btw, this reminds me of that āDomā guy you have working over on YouTube to popularize this DAW. That guy is incredibly unprofessional and way too social to be associated with any serious company. But then again, look at what they have here on the forumā¦ TERRIBLE.
You guys seriously expect us to pay extra just to be able to separate all the parts of our stems? Vocals, drums, guitars, etc? You only offer a basic vocal removal in Cubase? Thatās just greedy. I had already wanted to leave because of that alone.)
So yeah, first you donāt have any decent stem separation without paying a lot more and now the Beat Calculator is gone.
Wth is this DAW turning intoā¦
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I understand the rest of your post and your anger, but this sentence is ridiculous.
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By the way, Dom has his own channel, where he keeps a different mood (more āsocialā??) than the one he has in the channels of Steinberg, where he talks calmly and more seriously. Anyway, I donāt give aā¦