Best strategy for creating parts for different groups?

In creating an ensemble piece for around five-six players of the same instrument . I’ve got two target groups in mind.

  • Mixed ability group.
  • Medium High ability group.

I can grade the parts I create to suit the mixed ability group.

But can I leverage use the Dorico concept of a “player holding several instruments” to create a second set of parts for the higher ability group?

Apart from occasional ossias I’ll want either performance to contain the same notes.

But each player in the high ability group must only occasionally be playing easy music and get their fair share of harder passages.

Can this be done without keeping two copies of everything?

I would simply use section players and divisi.

Hmm. I’m not convinced it’s a simple use of section players.

I’ll create a diagram sometime this afternoon to show what I mean.

If it really is about the same material, but one part with ossias and the other one without – just create a copy of the respective Layout, and disable/enable ossias as needed in Layout Options.

This is what I mean:

In the mixed ability group player1 gets all the technical challenges and player3 might be a novice.

In the advanced group all three players get some of the technical challenges.

You did a great job of illustrating the idea IMO - and the colors give me the idea that you might see a benefit in using multiple voices- since voices can be colored, to show yourself what you’ve done in any measure.

But I don’t know any method that won’t involve copy/paste from a master part, and then in the case of voices, delete all but voice 2 for example in measures 5 and 6 of part 1.

The mechanism for a player having multiple instruments doesn’t have anything you can leverage that will help you much - as it’s not meant to have music on multiple instruments at the same time. It would try to show both I think, which I can’t see saving you anything.

Quite correct : but I might be able to minimise the risk that the cut and paste operations mess up or otherwise interfere with the integrity of the piece.

I will post the best solution I can think of when I’ve got it. Somehow I feel that multiple layouts will assist me.

This issue is not that common. But it does happen to guitar orchestras because everybody’s playing the same instrument.

It “Sort of ought to happen” between first and second violins :melting_face:but there’s a an aged old gentleman’s agreement that the first violins will get most of the interesting stuff.

One approach would be to create two groups of three players each, enter the music for the mixed ability players, and only use cues for the advanced players. Then any changes to the music for the mixed ability players will automatically transfer to the advanced players:

In this example, the following options were changed from the factory defaults:

  • In Engraving Options > Cues > Design, set Cue note scale factor to 1.
  • In Engraving Options > Cues > Cue Labels, set Placement of cue label to Always above staff.
  • In Engraving Options > Notes > Stems > Stem Directions, set Stem direction for notes on the middle line of the staff to Use default direction.
  • In Layout Options > Players > Cues, check Show cues.
  • After adding cues, in Notation Options > Rests > Rests in Additional Voices, set Bar rests in cues to Omit bar rests.

To hide the cue labels, execute Edit > Select All, execute Edit > Filter > Cues, activate the Start text property, and execute View > Signposts > Cues.

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Thank you so much. That looks like a brilliant solution.

I’ll let you how I get on applying it to a 12 minute 6 part work in a month or two’s time and if there any refinements to the process you have invented.

@Johnkprice, what is your IQ? :grin:

How low can I go? :grin: