Better way to approach Tie

I am not sure if this is possible but I think this would be a better approach to Tied notes:

When the User press “T” ( Shortcut for Tie):

If there are no notes after the selected notes then Dorico should “Lengthen Duration By Grid Value”…

If there are notes after the selected notes then Dorico should simply Tie the selected notes to the next notes…

If this happens then we would not have scenarios like this…

Is it just me or have you described the same scenario twice?

Thanks, I fixed it.

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I think it’s an interesting idea. There may be some drawback that I can’t think of.

There are situations in standard (particularly keyboard) repertoire where the notes either side of a tie don’t technically join up in the middle. The current implementation makes this easy to achieve.

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I guess Shift-alt-left or right already accomplishes this task anyway

You left the “f” out of shift.

Shift, that was close!

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This is the most common sort of scenario where the current behaviour is useful, but it’s not limited to grace notes in the repertoire - this was just the first example I could find quickly:




Further point - pressing T with that implementation could wipe out all or part of the next bar without realising. At least with the current implementation, tie works as expected, and no extra rhythmic values are created (which could be confusing)


In your and pianoleo’s example, there is an existing note after the first selected note in the same voice, unless I am missing something…

So dorico can identify that there Is a note after the selected note hence the Tie function can work as expected?

But in your example there must have been a note to tie to - Dorico won’t produce ties to nowhere. (There’s separate l.v. tie functionality that handles that.)

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Maybe a better approach would be for dorico to warn user that there are no notes after the first selected notes and stop the user from pressing the “T” button so we won’t have issues like this.
I don’t remember now, but I think that is what happened in Sibelius. When I pressed “T” button and there was nothing to tie it to, It simply canceled the Tie shortcut.

As I just said, there are notes further along the flow for Dorico to tie to, even if they’re outside of the area you’ve chosen to screenshot. If they didn’t exist, Dorico wouldn’t produce ties at all.

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If there is no possible note to tie to, nothing happens (just as you want!).

Please stop thinking what happened in Sibelius. It will not help you.

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Ok, I get what you meant by that now.

Maybe there can be a setting for Ties, to prevent dorico to tie to the next note if there is no note present in the next bar.

Something like “Lock duration” settings the note input preferences which prevents Dorico to jump during Note entry when lock duration is enabled.

yes, 20 bars later I do have some notes…

I would hate it if a dialogue came up every time I pressed T.


I guess for now I try to learn how dorico approaches Tie…
I should use “lengthen duration by grid” instead in some cases.