Breve without Tie

Hi all,

I’m currently writing Renaissance music. However, I was asked to not tie notes over bars as this is not a convention in renaissance music.
So what I would need to do is:

Show the notehead for a breve and have nothing in the staffs for the first half of Bar 6.

Thanks in advance!

Add a 2:2w (two whole notes in the space of two) tuplet, activate the Spans barline property and hide the number and bracket. In general you can use such ‘identity’ tuplets of various values in order to fool Dorico into ignoring the barline. Also, with Chord mode activated you can then paste the tuplet signposts over existing notes to rewrite them.

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It works, thank you!

However, it does not create a whole note pause in the next bar
I can circumvent this by moving the notehead in the next bar and the lyrics on the x axis. If it only occurs once it’s okay to do this in engrave mode, but if I have multiples it can be kind of tedious.

If anybody else has another solution to solve this I would be open for it. Otherwise I’ll spend some time layouting (it only occurs a couple of times, so doable)

Thanks in advance!

The spacing should work, if this is a score, as the other parts will pad out the gap. If you’re doing parts, then that’s more difficult.

I’d also suggest reducing the Note Spacing value in Layout Options down from 4 to 3, or even a bit less. If most of your notes are minims and larger, then 4 spaces for a crotchet will be very spacious.

“…not a convention in some styles of modern notation representations of Renaissance music”.

I bet you’ll be displaying ligatures as “two separate notes, whose connection to each is marked by some kind of line”. :grin:

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Of course, this is a way to represent it in a “modern notation”. The point is just, that the half bar line should only indicate where the downbeat is. Ligatures are not a thing in Renaissance music as far as I know. There are only dotted note values, so there is no need to display ligatures if they are just non existent :smiley:

Nice solution with the tuplet trick! For the pause issue, have you tried using a system break or adjusting the bar rest? Sometimes those can help with the spacing without manual X-axis nudging.

The problem is rather, that if I add the breve, there is actually no rest. And Dorico automatically adjusts the spacing between two notes, so if I don’t have a second voice that plays in there, Dorico just puts the next note directly to the one before.

The trick here is:
Make the tuplet 3:2w notes, span over the barline, add the breve and then scale the pause and tuplet mark afterwards to 1%. So I still have a pause afterwards which gives me the spacing.

Kind of awkward to do, I know, but hey, it works :smiley:

You can hide the tuplet mark in Properties by selecting no number and no bracket.

You can also change the color of the note to “Opacity 0%”, which is invisible, instead of making the object 1%, which may still make a dot.

They’re pretty much everywhere! There’s plenty in the 16th editions of Palestrina, for starters.

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Which would in fact reflect the original notation very accurately. :grin: I haven’t yet found a satisfying way to do custodes yet, though.

Ahhh, sorry. German / English problem. In German we use Ligature (Ligatur) also for tying together two notes with the same pitch. Because tied notes are usually not a thing in Renaissance music, but the Ligatures you show on the pictures do of course occur (we also call them Ligatur, kinda confusing ik)

Yup, but making the Opacity to 0% can cause a dot, if you have dotted rests: The rest is opaque then, the dot, however, is not. :smiley:
If I scale it to 1% I usually don’t see anything anymore, so that seems to work out a lot better for me!