BUG: when events are glued crossfades are destroyed

[raino]

@Johnny_Moneto

It only happens when using the Glue function from the Edit menu.

@Nuieve

into 3-4 pieces, crossfade them all.

I was using the Glue Tool but only on 2 Events.

@Johnny_Moneto

“Events to Part” function from the Audio menu, so I would recommend to use that instead of glueing.

I suspect Grouping the Events would also work, but not at DAW to confirm.

[KT66]

I just tried this with multiple events. I’m testing it on Nuendo 14.0.32 because that’s what’s available to me at the moment.

• Split an event into four.
• Drag the events to overlap at the ends
• Highlight all of them and hit X to crossfade
• Glue the events into a part
• Open the part in the audio editor to check that the crossfades are still there

I repeated this with both the glue tool and the glue option from the edit menu.
In both cases the crossfades remain intact and playback confirms that they are working properly.
I can’t replicate the OP’s reported behaviour.

[raino]

I did a more extensive test and found several interesting things.

I started with 4 totally different Audio Events (so they are each sonically unique) & put them on a Track overlapping so they just jump cut between each other with no fades at all.

1. Then I duplicated this Track a bunch of times so I’d have multiple Tracks all exactly the same.
2. Next I crossfaded the Audio on all the Tracks except for one Track
3. On the un-faded Track plus one of the crossfaded Tracks I reversed the polarity. Now these tracks can be used to null test the others.
4. On the remaining Tracks I “glued” the Events together using different methods for each Track & then null tested them against my 2 reference Tracks.

The green Tracks are the various ways of gluing Events together, indicated in the Track Names. And the blue ones are for the null tests. Outside of the fade zones all of the Tracks zeroed out on the null test. Also none of them nulled out against the butt-edit/non-fade test track - so they are all being somewhat changed by the gluing process.

Using the Events to Part command properly maintains the fades. But using either the Glue Tool or menu item doesn’t work correctly. They do maintain the correct cross-fade at the 1st edit point, but after that all the cross-fades are converted to fade-ins.

Grouping the Events is a viable alternative to Gluing them if you don’t want to create Parts & has the advantage that you can mix & match almost anything (MIDI Parts, Audio Events, Markers) that lives on the timeline & Group them together.

[KT66]

Interesting. I’ll run my test again tomorrow and try the nulls as well. I’ll post some screen caps.

[Nuieve]

Probably, yes, events. Even after decades of using Cubase I never bothered to to learn any of Cubase’s terminology. Chopped piece of audio clips, so events? Glued pieces = parts, right? I’ll try to remember.

I use the glue button from popup right click menu because it’s convenient and that’s all I know to use.

[Nuieve]

Here’s how I do it.

[KT66]

OK., I ran the test again but this time copied the crossfaded track, reversed the polarity and ran null tests against the glued tracks (one using the glue tool and the other the menu command).
As @raino reported above, the first crossfade nulls, the tracks outside the crossfade areas null, but the second and subsequent crossfades do not. The audio I hear in the non-null areas is the fade out portion of each crossfade, which confirms the OP’s findings.
The only thing different about mine is that, when opening the audio editor, both the glued tracks still show the full crossfade, even though the fade out is not audibly represented (from the second crossfade on).