Almost a year elapsed and still strugling with the new C14 score editor. Could anyone help me, why are beam/note grouping goes against pre-set settings? What am I missing to do?
And some things are soo un-practical or did in the background with no user control on it but needless to complain. I would appreciate some hints here what am I missing. Thank you guys!
I recommend implementing free user-defineable handling of rhythms instead of pre-defined behavior for a complete piece. There are moments, when a composer needs more than one way of notation to express his or her ideas.
btw: “maximum number of dots per beat” - that´s not how musicians think about notation…
agree absolutely depends on the circumstances.
Lots of things were so practical and easy-handling with the “old score editor”…
also about articulations… just some examples:
Strings group: “arco” and “pizz”, or “down” and “up” bow are complementary values. Why aren’t they next to each others? What might be the purpose not to keep these “note symbols” close/next to each others? etc…
I think it depends on the timesignature! 6/8 will display diffently from 4/4 but I can’t see what you have set it to.
I see that these are displayed here in alphabetical order. I guess the ultimate would be to allow the user to freely move (re-order/display) the entries here, as they desire.?
Not sure how quickly that could happen…
Those operations are related to divisions of compound time, and you seem to be in 4/4 which is simple time. Notice the wording of the heading “compound beats”.
That’s essentially copied from the Dorico UI, and there you can’t reorder them, they are fixed in the alphabetical order. Although Dorico has many users, I don’t recall any of them asking for the ability to reorganize this list.
Indeed - I was replying to @fkalmus post, just floating the idea…
To be fair, most Dorico users use its system of “popovers”, for instance, shift-P “arco” ENTER to add an arco indication, instead of choosing it from the menu. Using methods like these, the order the techniques are shown in doesn’t matter quite so much since in most cases you aren’t having to go to that panel anyway. But there is no equivalent operation provided in Cubase as of yet, so more things end up having to be chosen with the mouse.
Absolutely and nothing about chriticism, I know how much of work is there and understand the reason why they changed the SCORE-engine.
(( also better to stick with UP/DOWN bowin, because they are really up or down, no third direction… I personally would welcome them next to each-others (up or down) ))
So didn’t wanted to start a flame… rather if anyone knows, how to solve my dotted 1/4’s within the bars, I would highly appreciate the trick 
In Dorico you would usually solve this kind of thing by using a feature called “Force Duration” which is not in Cubase. Although to be fair I would normally notate that rhythm exactly how Dorico has done it there, and haven’t normally seen it how you are asking for it.
I believe however you have some control over the grouping of the beats by changing the click pattern for the bar in question, so probably you can force those to be grouped in the way you want by modifying that click.
I don’t think you 100% got my problem. Just want to see dotted notes, instead of slurred 1/8+1/4 (similar to syncopation… but that is something w.o. dots… just … the upper picture, circled in red should be simply: [1/8• | 1/8• | 1/8]
instead of current: [1/8• | 1/16 slur 1/8 | 1/8].
Does that explanation makes sense?
Yes I understand exactly, and my previous response still applies as I understood there too.
oh… okay. Maybe I have a different way of thinking. I graduated with masterdeg classical cellist, and reg my experience, we always prefer the simplest way to read… It’s like syncopation, mathematically correct to slur two 1/8-1/8’s, but not common to notate like that, just writing an 1/4 instead. No?
But again: what is the solution to get the view-mode that ScoreSettings provides, but seems can’t apply on score-view?
If you had a syncopated pattern starting on beat 1 or 3 like eighth-quarter-eighth I would not notate the quarter as two tied eighths, that is a simple enough rhythm that the tie would be unnecessarily fussy, and I don’t think Dorico would tie it in that case either. I might under most circumstances rewrite a quarter as two tied eighths if it obscured the third beat in 4/4 as that is more important (although there are a few common exceptions to this).
But for this particular syncopation pattern, the ties provide clarity and improve the sight readability. It is complicated enough that the ties are helpful instead of getting in the way.
Like I said in my last response though, you should have some control over the beat grouping by changing the metronome click pattern for that bar, so there’s a good chance you can coax it to notate it the way you want by defining the click pattern that way. Obviously it will affect the metronome sound too for those bars where you are doing that, but if you have already written the music this might not matter so much to you.
all clear, maybe question of taste
But my question is still regardless of personal taste:
I said above, the view mode that you’ve chosen in score settings is labelled as a setting that applies to compound time only ex. 6/8 or 9/8 or 12/8, and you’re in 4/4 which is simple time. A setting labelled as compound time only won’t work in simple time.
There is no setting to get what you want, so the only way you might be able to influence the behaviour is by changing the metronome click pattern, which influences the beat grouping routine in the score editor engine. You’ll probably just want to do that for the specific bars in question instead of everything, so it doesn’t have unintended knock-on effects for other parts of the piece.
thank you! (I know I could do it with the old editor… but than I need to forget this for now) Thank you again! F
That happens because of Dorico’s (and Cubase’s by ) primary principle, which has been unofficially called “duration is king.” Dorico prioritizes note durations over subdivisions and things like that, which can lead to all sorts of mini-puzzles you have to solve depending on what you want to do.
In Dorico these situations can normally be handled on a case-by-case basis by doing a manual override on the durations called “force duration” that lets you specify how you want it in each situation. The other way of doing it in Dorico is by adding a variant of the same time signature that subdivides things in a different/atypical way which can be useful when you need a certain subdivision repetitively.
Cubase has no analog for “force duration” unfortunately, but it has at least implemented the second way (a variant of the same time signature that subdivides things differently) through the metronome click pattern options in the time signature track.
