Cautionaries at the ends of flows (trick to display)

Alright gang: YMMV, but I just discovered something completely by accident.

If you have a coda in a different key, and then delete the coda, you’re left with a cautionary key signature at the end of the flow. This hack may come in handy in certain situations (I can imagine using this to indicate a cautionary for a da capo repeat after a trio, for instance). I know we normally want to hide cautionaries, but sometimes you need to force them to show too.

This is obviously not supported / intended use, so YMMV.
cautionaries at end of flows

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Interesting! I even get a final bar line instead of just a double one. Doesn’t work for time signatures, though. And after closing and re-opening the project, there suddenly is an extra bar at the end. I can delete that extra bar in the system track, like I did with the Coda, and seemingly get back the cautionary KS after the final barline. But apparently, the lonely key change at the end is not the actual, final stage of the situation. There’s a secret empty bar, that will be displayed when Dorico reopens the project.

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Good catch!

I think I might have figured out a workaround for the situation where it is desired to have a cautionary key signature and/or time signature at the end of a flow.
The following steps could possibly be refined further, but this is what worked for me. In my case, I wanted both types of signature as cautionaries.

Select the final barline and change it to a double barline.
Select this barline and add a key signature.
Select the same barline and add a time signature as a pickup bar (for example 3/4,1).

During these steps, a double barline will have appeared at the end of the system, after the cautionary key and time signatures.

There are two ways of removing/hiding that barline.

  1. This involves changing the design of dashed barlines, so if you use dashed barlines in this project you would be better off using method number 2.

Select this double barline and change it to a dashed barline and then in Engraving Options > Barlines > Design set the Dash length for dashed barlines (no. 7) to zero, and Apply.

or

  1. in Notation Options > Barlines, select the relevant flow and set Automatic barline at end of flow to No barline, and Apply.

Next, select the rest(s) after the double barline and do Edit > Remove Rests.
This could also probably be achieved by selecting the note/rest immediately before the double barline and enabling Ends voice.

If desired, you can adjust the spacing at the end of the system in Engrave mode > Note Spacing.

Whichever method you use to un-show the added barline at the end of the system, I highly recommend that you check the final barline in every flow to make sure that it is the design you want.

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Here is an example.

End-of-flow cautionaries example.dorico (1.5 MB)

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Can we have your attention please, Dorico Developers? Do you really want this to be so cumbersome? Please …

i can’t seem to get this method to work with condensing enabled. divisi seems to break this as well. any insight? hopefully this is addressed with a Property or Option setting.

The method I described 16 months ago (ie in post no. 3 in this thread), has possibly been affected in the various upgrades, etc. since then, or maybe at the time I simply didn’t test it with condensing and divisi.

For displaying a cautionary key signature at the end of a flow:

After some experimenting, I have found that the following works for me (in Dorico 5 Pro) with condensing but I haven’t tested it with divisi.

  1. Make sure that the System Track is displayed (alt/opt-T).
  2. Select the final barline and change it to a double barline.
  3. Add a key signature. An extra bar will appear.
  4. Click in the System Track for that extra bar and click on the trash can icon.

For displaying a cautionary time signature at the end of a flow:

  1. Select the final barline.
  2. Enter a time signature
  3. The default is for it to display. To toggle the display between on and off, in Properties > Time Signatures there is a button and checkbox labelled Cautionary at end of system (Hide or Show).
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nice !! that worked - thank you !

But for the KS, if you close and re-open the file, the extra bar comes back, right?

I don’t know. I haven’t checked. Have you?
If it does come back, you could try setting Notation Options > Automatic barline at end of flow to No barline, and see if that makes any difference.

Also, after closing the file and re-opening it, if there is a difference in behaviour between when condensing is on and when it is off, I would suggest doing any printing and/or exporting to PDF while the file is still open and looks the way you want it to.

Yes, it is a workaround that I used in a file several months ago, and every time I reopen it, the extra bar reappears. I just tried on a draft with “No Barline at the End of Flow” but that removes the double barline before the cautionary Key signature.

No condensing/Divisi in my attempts, so I couldn’t say if it is different.

Yes, in that case, pdf export before closing the file, for sure!

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I have tried it just now on a file with two flows. When condensing is on, the extra bar appears after the file is re-opened. It is a simple matter to select the System Track for that bar and click its trash can icon. This will empty the extra bar while the file is still open. But, as we have noticed, it re-appears after re-opening.

Because it is something that has not yet been specifically designed into Dorico (or maybe it has, but condensing affects it adversely), the workaround is necessary. I suppose we are lucky that it gets sufficiently far enough to produce a result that can be exported to a finished product, even if it needs to be re-applied next time the file is opened.

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I don’t think condensing is relevant. It happens with just a single instrument too.

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One of the things that I tried was to apply Ends Voice to the last note/rest before the double barline - for every instrument. I did this while condensing was off. When the file was closed and re-opened, when condensing was on, all the single (non-condensed) instruments displayed nothing after the double barline, while all the condensed staves contained a whole-bar rest.

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Wow, that works!! Thank you so much @StevenJones01 ! Needs “No barline at end of flow”, as you were guessing.

I mean, in a condensing-free score, but I is already a good news!