Cautionary (return) key signature at end of D.S. al Coda before returning to Segno

[johncomposer]

I can’t figure out how to get Dorico 6 to put a cautionary (return) key signature at the end of the last bar before the return to the Segno. (I haven’t found a post on this specific issue for over a year now.) If Dorico can’t currenly accomplish this, can someone give a detailed workaround? The ones I’ve seen posted do not work for some reason.I love how Dorico automatically splits and formats the entire D.S. al Coda process but this possibility seems to be missing.

[Christian_R]

Hi @johncomposer, this was already being requested and is on the radar of the Team.

[Vadian]

Did you see this?

DS with cautionary key signature (again?)

I understand that Dorico at present can’t create a DS and have a cautionary key signature. The suggested workaround is to create an empty bar and then fiddle with rests and barlines. So far, so good. This works in the full score layout, but not in parts layouts, because I get a multibar rest which I don’t seem to be able to hide. Switching off multibar rests altogether is not an option. I’d rather not have to mess with multiple flows because everything else is straightforward. Is it possible t…

[johncomposer]

Hi Vadian,

I did see it, but I couldn’t get it to work. I couldn’t get the added fake measure to show “no barline” at the end. I pulled together several replies (some of them differing from others) and could not get consensus.

Could you or someone else please post the steps in order that work with Dorico 6.X? For more info, my piece is in Eb major at the beginning and at the Coda, but in Bb major at the section where the D.S. occurs a the end (m 89, Coda is then at m. 90).

[johncomposer]

Thanks Christian!

[Vadian]

Please try the following:

This is the general structure

• Insert a 4/4 signature at the beginning of the coda and hide it.
• Change the last bar before the coda to 2/4,1 and hide the time signature.
• Delete the bars after the pickup bar with SHIFT B.
• Insert the E♭ key signature into the pickup bar.
• Change the barline before the coda to dash and set the dash length in Engraving Options > Barline to zero.
• Select the rest, enable Force position and duration in the properties and remove the rest.
• Exclude the “dummy” bar from being counted if needed.

The result is

And this is the project

Cautionary_Key_Signature_DS.dorico (500.5 KB)

I forgot to change the key signature in the coda but this is an easy task

[johncomposer]

Vadian, thanks so much; this worked, except for a couple of things.

(I had to edit your plan to add a fake pickup measure first and then do everything to that; otherwise I ended up 1 bar short in the phrase leading up to the D.S. Right?)

Two things have happened that I cannot fix:

1. As I removed rests, the fake extra pickup bar actually got wider. This would be a problem since I can adjust that measure width in Engrave Mode, except that…
2. In Engrave Mode the score shows quarter rests on selected staves which do not show in Write Mode. THey are all on condensed staves (which include 2 instrument staves each.)

Can you help me get rid of these rests, as well as telling me why the false bar is getting bigger when empty?

Thanks in advance.

[Vadian]

Regarding the condensing issue I asked a similar question a couple of weeks ago

Once again, cautionary time signature in a condensed score at the end of a flow

I read these threads and tried everything. Yes these are possible tweaks to show a cautionary key signature at the end of a flow even in a condensed score. But the procedures hide any time signature regardless of any property settings like Ends Voice and Force Position and Duration. Also hiding the rests in one of the suggestions is not possible in a condensed score not even by scaling them. As far I’m aware of the only way to show a cautionary time signature at the end of a flow in a cond…

The answer to write notes and hide notehead and stem worked for me.

[johncomposer]

That worked! Thanks for your help. I sure hope this gets the clean up in an upcoming update.