Change manually inter-system-gap space: possible

Hello,
Can we change the inter-system-gap space manually for all in “engrave mode”? to have directly in realtime visual result.
inter-system-gap-space

You can change it in Layout Options within any mode. Ctrl/Cmd-Shift-L > Vertical Spacing > Ideal Gaps > Inter-system Gap.

Hi. Not sure about what you’re asking for. If it’s a way to input the same numerical value for all inter staff gaps in one step, there’s no way to do it. But you could use concertina drag (keep alt/opt pressed while you drag the top staff downwards). But I wouldn’t.
You’d better try inter system ideal (minimal) gaps in Layout options > Vertical spacing. This is what “apply” is there for. You try some values and adjust them until you’re happy.
Note that vertical justification does interfere a lot in this operation. It’s up to you to keep it or not.
[Edit] Leo is faster than me…

Hello,
Till now I used the Layout Options > Vertical Spacing that open a windows that we allways must move to see the results, and as I remembered, one day I was using another notation program that did this with mouse and drag?!
Thanks to both for the answer that helps me:!

@MarcLarcher
If it’s a way to input the same numerical value for all inter staff gaps in one step, there’s no way to do it
@pianoleo (good to know this shortcut)
Ctrl/Cmd-Shift-L``

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It sounds like you find that a chore. If you’re actually grabbing the top of the window and dragging it, I can see how that would be irritating (particularly on a smaller screen).

As far as I can tell, Dorico windows (including Layout Options) respond to the same window-switching shortcuts as most other applications. On my mac, that’s Cmd-` to put Layout Options behind the main window, then type it again to bring Layout Options forward again. I’m not sure whether Windows can do this natively (apart from Alt-Tab, which scrolls round different programs) but there are various third-party programs that can help, such as Download Easy Window Switcher - NeoSmart Technologies!

The thing to remember about moving staves manually (dragging them around) in Dorico is those overrides to the default vertical position/spacing of staves are locked to the page. If you later insert e.g. a title page at the start of the layout, it’s very likely that all your staves will reset to their default positions. (Sometimes staff spacing offsets can be retained when staves match on adjacent pages but most of the time the offsets will be deleted, so it’s safest to assume they will.)

Getting the right combination of page size, staff size, margins, and staff spacing in Layout Options will produce the most stable (and reproducible) results. It goes along with the Dorico philosophy, where although getting your default settings as close to what you want (or covering the majority of cases) and then doing the smallest amount of local, graphical tweaking required can feel like a bigger investment at the start, this approach absolutely pays off in the long run.

On a small screen and when I don’t have a 2nd screen to put the Layout Options dialog on, I sometimes move the dialog so that just enough of it is visible (the value field I’m changing and the Apply button) with similarly enough of the music area to see the result.

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Hello,
Thanks again
The discussion changed direction a bit compared to the original question and after analyzing these exchanges, I found my discomfort.
And this is a really small point relatively unimportant at the stage of development of this superb software.
But the fact of having been able to point out exactly my discomfort, will allow me to work differently

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dup: we allways must move to see the results
@pianoleo
If you’re actually grabbing the top of the window and dragging it, I can see how that would be irritating (particularly on a smaller screen).
@Lillie_Harris
On a small screen and when I don’t have a 2nd screen to put the Layout Options dialog on, I sometimes move the dialog so that just enough of it is visible (the value field I’m changing and the Apply button) with similarly enough of the music area to see the result.

Sometimes we do things so out of habit in software, that when we use another software, sometimes there are things and gestures that disturb us and also that we have the impression that we have never had to do so many times certain manipulations!
Through your answers, I explored this question in depth and believe I have found the answer to this feeling of often repeating the same gestures.
Actually, I do exactly like you, but maybe I’m working on a lot more small projects (for my students) in a short time so I open a lot of files in a short time! Finally after analysis, I noticed that Dorico does not memorize the positions and sizes of the windows when we open another project or when we close the program and reopen it. So much so that when you open the Layout option page (or other windows)it is always back to the center and I have to move it each time.
In my other Wavelab, Cubase, … or even Firefox programs when I move and resize an open window, once the program is closed and then reopened, the window we call reopens in the same position and dimension that we left
best regards

Dorico 3.5 does remember the sizes and positions of every dialog you open. It also remembers the size and position of each project window you open. Projects and dialogs do use different mechanisms, but both are retained and restored.

Hello,
@dspreadbury
Maybe i don’t understand ?!
I tried on two computer W7 and W10 with Dorico 3.5.11.1054
1.I open a project “A” and do “Ctrl+shift+L” I obtain:

2.change the position and size of this popup windows:

  1. I save the project and open another project and do “Ctrl+shift+L” or
  2. I open the project “A” saved in 2 and do “Ctrl+shift+L”.
    I re- obtain the same result as in 1.:

Size and position not stored for me like in Cubase,wavelab,…
Are we talking about the same thing
best regards

Yes, we are talking about the same thing. I can only assume that for some reason the saving of those window positions is failing on your computer for some reason. The data is saved in the Windows Registry, though I can’t recall immediately off the top of my head the name of the key where it is saved.

Hello,
Thanks for your time and answer…but…
In order to be clear about it, I installed Dorico on a third computer (w10): I obtained the same result as on my previous example and pictures!

As long as I am working on the same open project, the position and dimension of a transformed window is maintained but as soon as I close this project and reopen it the open window reverts to its initial default state.

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The data is saved in the Windows Registry, though I can’t recall immediately off the top of my head the name of the key where it is saved.

I have not been able to find the registry key to see when it is being written or rewritten. Does anyone know her?
best regards