# Chord fonts deleting stuff **URL:** \ **Category:** Dorico\ **Created:** [November 30, 2024, 2:26am UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/chord-fonts-deleting-stuff/955462 "2024-11-30T02:26:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![hijazgaraj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/51bf81/32.png) [@hijazgaraj](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/hijazgaraj)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2024, 2:26am UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/chord-fonts-deleting-stuff/955462/1 "2024-11-30T02:26:59Z")
This is a big hmmmmm! Since I’ve found I need to do a lot repair to chord fonts and kerning, I set out to build a template with my preferred settings hoping that I wouldn’t need to do this repair for every project., just start from the template BUT… The file I made is in 12 keys with routine chords that I’m likely to use (I wouldn’t likely write E7b5#9/Bb or such goofy stuff) and painstakingly use Library/Chord Symbols to edit everything to what I want. The file looks fine after a work session. But when I save and exit the program, when I come back to it later all the #, b.,mi are missing. Wassup with that? Might be font related because I’m still navigating that issue as a Finale 'fugee. A secondary question then would be what fonts actually work properly with Dorico? I’ve tried all the legacy fonts from Finale and they sometimes work, but oft times they just don’t play fair and produce junk. There doesn’t seem to be a good native handwritten music font in Dorico. ---
**Author:** ![dspreadbury](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/user_avatar/forums.steinberg.net/dspreadbury/32/328687_2.png) [@dspreadbury](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/dspreadbury)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2024, 12:33pm UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/chord-fonts-deleting-stuff/955462/2 "2024-11-30T12:33:46Z")
I think we’d need to see the project itself to have any clues as to what might be going on with the fonts. In general, of course, you should find that a project appears exactly the same after you reopen it as it looked when you last worked on it. I can’t think of anything that would cause its appearance to change, and in particular for symbols within chord symbols to disappear of their own accord. For accidentals in chord symbols, and things like the major seventh triangle, diminished/half-diminished circle, etc., you really need a SMuFL-compatible font that implements the **Chord symbols** and **Standard accidentals for chord symbols** ranges. You should also ideally use the “text” version of the font (e.g. for Bravura, you would use “Bravura Text” rather than “Bravura”), because these are the versions of the fonts that are designed for use together with regular text fonts. ---
**Author:** ![hijazgaraj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/51bf81/32.png) [@hijazgaraj](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/hijazgaraj)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2024, 10:25pm UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/chord-fonts-deleting-stuff/955462/3 "2024-11-30T22:25:39Z")
Ok a couple of screen shots of my issue. This is an example of a lead sheet where I edited the chord extensions to my liking at the end stage after note and lyric input. Font is Finale Jazz Text, which I believe is SMuFL compliant. This file (and all others created this way) re-opens without issue. ![Screen Shot 2024-11-30 at 3.04.54 PM](https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/original/4X/7/8/d/78daa504f6c7b678c51bff5e4b0562c45e75e995.png) But rather than re-invent the wheel for every project, I thought I would build a template with the font settings I prefer for the most routine chord symbols I would use so as to make the editing process less labour intensive. But in this shot all the accidentals and extensions are wiped out. The first system is in C, the second should be C#, the 3rd Db etc., etc. When I create the file everything looks hunk-dory, but after I save and exit and then re-open this is the result. ![Screen Shot 2024-11-30 at 3.03.23 PM](https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/original/4X/b/3/1/b318d1daac111d22a07456f00d09b6470a5c8749.png) I’m more and more convinced that it’s related to font choices, but nothing I’ve tried seems to help, which is why I posed the 2nd question. I’d like to have a handwritten font for chord symbols, not Bravura Text (I find it rather ugly). ---
**Author:** ![dspreadbury](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/user_avatar/forums.steinberg.net/dspreadbury/32/328687_2.png) [@dspreadbury](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/dspreadbury)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2024, 11:30pm UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/chord-fonts-deleting-stuff/955462/4 "2024-11-30T23:30:39Z")
Can you attach the project that is no longer showing accidentals? Perhaps it will be instructive. ---
**Author:** ![hijazgaraj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/51bf81/32.png) [@hijazgaraj](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/hijazgaraj)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2024, 12:14am UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/chord-fonts-deleting-stuff/955462/5 "2024-12-01T00:14:05Z")
Already attached png screen shot in my reply. Can you not see it? ---
**Author:** ![dspreadbury](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/user_avatar/forums.steinberg.net/dspreadbury/32/328687_2.png) [@dspreadbury](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/dspreadbury)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2024, 12:15am UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/chord-fonts-deleting-stuff/955462/6 "2024-12-01T00:15:40Z")
I can see the screenshot, but a screenshot is not a project. Please see this sticky thread for our advice on how best to ask for help here on the forum: > [@Four simple guidelines to help us help you](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/four-simple-guidelines-to-help-us-help-you/123752): > > We are proud to say that the Dorico forum is friendly, supportive and constructive, and it’s our aim to keep it that way. Members of the Dorico development and support teams closely monitor the forum, and this is the place you can have a direct conversation with the people responsible for designing and building the application. The forum is also frequented by many expert users of the software, who generously give of their time to offer assistance to their fellow users. In order to keep the discu… ---
**Author:** ![hijazgaraj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/51bf81/32.png) [@hijazgaraj](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/hijazgaraj)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2024, 12:21am UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/chord-fonts-deleting-stuff/955462/7 "2024-12-01T00:21:06Z")
Ok trial run for this. Hope it works to drag and drop. [Chord symbol adjustments.dorico](https://forums.steinberg.net/uploads/short-url/49340APNkFV8lB392GGoPsiYUQ6.dorico) (840.3 KB) ---
**Author:** ![FredGUnn](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/user_avatar/forums.steinberg.net/fredgunn/32/92088_2.png) [@FredGUnn](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/FredGUnn)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2024, 12:37am UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/chord-fonts-deleting-stuff/955462/8 "2024-12-01T00:37:55Z")
Set Font Styles / Chord Symbols Music Text Font to Finale Jazz (not Finale Jazz Text). I’m guessing Finale Jazz Text doesn’t have the SMuFL glyphs in the required locations. ---
**Author:** ![hijazgaraj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/51bf81/32.png) [@hijazgaraj](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/hijazgaraj)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2024, 9:28pm UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/chord-fonts-deleting-stuff/955462/9 "2024-12-01T21:28:57Z")
Seems to be the fix, thank you. Not completely however. I got all the flats back (e.g. C7b5 displays correctly) but the sharps were turned into naturals (e.g. C7#9 has a natural sign instead of #). Weird, but I’ll dig back into this for a couple of days. ---
**Author:** ![hijazgaraj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/51bf81/32.png) [@hijazgaraj](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/hijazgaraj)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2024, 9:54pm UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/chord-fonts-deleting-stuff/955462/10 "2024-12-01T21:54:16Z")
Nope. Tried re-entering the chords but anything common like C7#9 or #11 the # is replaced by a natural. I find this queer because if I enter a project, notes lyrics and so on, then enter chord symbols last stage, Finale Jazz text works just fine (though not without some other quirks not pertinent to this topic). Is there some reason that a file without notes or lyrics would cause this? Or my ongoing query on this forum, is there a handwritten style font that truly works with Dorico? ---
**Author:** ![pianoleo](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/user_avatar/forums.steinberg.net/pianoleo/32/1609_2.png) [@pianoleo](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/pianoleo)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2024, 10:17pm UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/chord-fonts-deleting-stuff/955462/11 "2024-12-01T22:17:05Z")
I can’t take a look right now, but I have a feeling you’ll get better results if you set **Library \> Engraving Options \> Chord Symbols \> Design \> Scale factor for subscript and superscript components** to something higher - try 70%. The Finale fonts are lacking some of the appropriate glyphs at the smaller size. ---
**Author:** ![FredGUnn](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/user_avatar/forums.steinberg.net/fredgunn/32/92088_2.png) [@FredGUnn](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/FredGUnn)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2024, 12:51am UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/chord-fonts-deleting-stuff/955462/12 "2024-12-02T00:51:37Z")
There are several issues at play here: 1. Rather than use Engraving Options, you’ve created overrides for everything. This isn’t Finale, and that’s not how chord symbols work in Dorico. I don’t know the locations of the glyphs you chose when you built your overrides, but when I switch to Finale Jazz, I see this where whatever glyph you originally chose probably shares a location with the Finale Jazz natural. 2. If I use Finale Jazz, but delete all of your overrides, I get this: 3. It looks like you want a level baseline instead of superscript, so if I change this Engraving Option … … I get this in the score _without any manual overrides_ at all: ![3b](https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/original/4X/f/c/d/fcdb84f03dafb25cd23eff9c432c836a818b4da3.png) > [@hijazgaraj](#): > > is there a handwritten style font that truly works with Dorico? Petaluma is the handwritten style font by Steinberg that ships with Dorico. Obviously it has all the SMuFL glyphs in the correct locations. ![petaluma](https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/original/4X/4/9/6/4966a298119971f2b969281e34d9364a71979eff.png) @NorFont.com has created quite a few SMuFL fonts as well. You can check them out on his site here: [https://norfonts.ma/en/](https://norfonts.ma/en/) ---
**Author:** ![hijazgaraj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/51bf81/32.png) [@hijazgaraj](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/hijazgaraj)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2024, 2:24am UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/chord-fonts-deleting-stuff/955462/13 "2024-12-02T02:24:05Z")
Thank you very much. Maybe there’s light at the end of the tunnel here. Ok the overrides I did were because the chord symbol characters were crashing together and basically on top of each other, so I moved some aspects to the right for spacing reasons. In the posted file it looks goofy because of needless space. I actually would prefer the superscript version. I changed it to baseline because that got rid of some of my issues. But it appears all of my approaches have just made for different issues. It may be that I must settle for Petaluma eventually since it’s native. In the cold light of winter morning I’ll dive back into this. The engraving option you illustrate is indeed what my settings are. ---
**Author:** ![benwiggy](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/steinberg/user_avatar/forums.steinberg.net/benwiggy/32/1715_2.png) [@benwiggy](https://forums.steinberg.net/u/benwiggy)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2024, 7:44am UTC](https://forums.steinberg.net/t/chord-fonts-deleting-stuff/955462/14 "2024-12-02T07:44:22Z")
> [@hijazgaraj](#): > > is there a handwritten style font that truly works with Dorico? There’s Finale Broadway and Finale Ash, as well as Golden Age. I created the SMuFL version of the latter font, so if there is something wrong with font, I’d be happy to fix it.