What exactly are you trying to do? For example, I’ve changed the accidental positioning of all my altered suffixes, but I did it by redefining the definition with a doricolib file, not in the editor. If you can post an image of what you want them to look like, there may be other workarounds to avoid doing it for every root.
Hello FredGUnn, thank you very much for your answer.
oh yes, I understand well, So we can change the accidental positioning of all the altered suffixes by redefining the definition with a doricolib file.
But can we change the fonts and symbols by redefining the definition with a doricolib file. ?
With the software make music finale I could edit the chords as I wanted and the change was applied to the 12 keys. With dorico, it is possible but not with all the chords.
Example
I want to change the chord “7(b9)” to “9b”. It is impossible to make this change on all the keys at once.
So I abandon Dorico and I stay on Finale, it’s a shame because I paid for Dorico. But unfortunately Dorico cannot do what finale has been doing for decades. I saw that many people on the forums complain about this same problem.
I hope Dorico will solve this BIG PROBLEM one day.
I think Dorico is a good software, but not for chords.
Not only possible, that can be changed globally with one click! (It won’t apply to anything you’ve already created an override for obviously, as the override tells Dorico to ignore the settings.)
If you haven’t already, you need to go through all the Engraving Options / Chord Symbols possibilities before you even consider making manual edits or overrides.
it was already my setting.
In fact, i want to delete the parentheses and the 7,
i just want 9b and i want to change the font and size and position.
What does something like G9b even mean? A G triad with an Ab? If the 9 is part of the G9 and not an alteration, then I assume most people would be wondering what the flat is referring to. Please post an image of what you actually want and the quality it refers to and we’ll tell you if it’s possible globally directly through Engraving Options, or if a simple global edit is possible.
Thanks again FredGUnn, I have been writing scores mainly for myself for 30 years because I am a professional pianist, I have thousands of scores. I use a simple notation with few symbols. I use the triangle for Maj7, the circle for diminished etc …
I do not want to change notation today.
In fact, i don’t want to know if it’s a good notation or not, i just want to use my notation.
Here is my notation:
C9 : notes E G Bb D
Cadd9 : notes E G D
C9b : notes E G Bb Db
C9# : notes E G Bb D#
C11 : notes G Bb D F
C11# : notes G Bb D F#
C13 : notes Bb D E A
C13b : notes Bb D E Ab
Bb△/C : notes Bb D F A
etc…
Oof, the odds of those being misinterpreted by others must be really high! Players will see C13 and play a C13 before they notice that tiny flat. I’ve seen people use the “dyslexic flat” notation before though. I was Slide Hampton’s copyist for 20 years or so and he used it (I always updated his chords to current standards automatically), but he always had the 9b follow a 7 first.
I think the combination of that nomenclature being so unusual and so prone to misinterpretation means you’re unlikely to find a combination of Dorico settings to achieve that. I don’t even think you can create a doricolib as Dorico will want to put a 7 first. A couple of options come to mind:
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If you input C(b9) into the popover with that “after alteration” EO setting specified, Dorico will give you C(9b). Dorico puts the alteration in parentheses to avoid confusion. If you really are sure you never want the parentheses ever, you can simply globally define them to be nothing, using the instructions on global editing further up the thread. Here’s an example of that:
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I didn’t play around with fonts and positioning, but I’m guessing it will be tricky if not impossible to get the 9 smaller and superscripted, and then the sharp even smaller and more superscripted. In that case, just create overrides for all roots (I guess 21 with all possible non-double accidental enharmonics) that are positioned exactly as you want. Once you have a file set up exactly the way you want, save it as a template or use the Library Manager to bring it into other projects.
I’m french.
In french we say and we write: le ciel bleu
In english you say and you write: the blue sky
So
In french we say and we write: C9b
In english you say and you write: C(b9)
Academic notation is not logical. If we want to be completely logical, we should put the flat in front of all the time or behind all the time:
bE b9 = logical notation
Eb 9b = logical notation
Eb b9 = illogical notation, forced to add parentheses (b9)
French musician understand C9b
All pro musicians can read very easely C79 or C9 the 2 notations are good (the 7 is optional ).
I understand that Slide Hampton’s prefer C79, it’s his choice.
It’s my choice to have a minimalist notation.
I’m not copyist, but a lot of French musicians use my scores, there are no problem.
If I were a professional copyist, like you, I would note academic notation C7b9, CMaj7, C dim etc… like you
But…i’m not copyist.
I’m not a rebel, there’s a real reason that explains this minimalist method: I play pop and jazz, and I don’t want to have more than 2 pages per score because it’s difficult to turn the pages when you use both hands.
my notation
C9 C4 Co C-C△
“Academic” notation
C79 Csus4 Cdim Cm CMaj7
Look at the width, it is 2 times bigger with the academic notation.
If there are many chords my score will be longer and sometimes I should turn more pages.
I could reduce the size, but I won’t see very well anymore.
That’s 30 years of experience.
Thanks a lot, I now know that Dorico does not allow us to fully customize the chords like on finale.
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Dorico is obviously very different than Finale. Finale conceptually is more graphical, whereas Dorico is more based around musical meaning. (I was a Finale user for close to 25 years, before switching 5 years ago) Even though it hasn’t been updated since the late 1990s, the chord suffix editor in Finale did allow you to create whatever suffix formatting you wanted, and you could use “Type Into Score” to easily type it in as long as you followed the identical glyph sequence.
Dorico is different. It really only is natively set up for chords that have musical meaning to it. The developers are very responsive to user requests, but there obviously is a development cost. Time spent on something that has limited applicability, obviously is time that isn’t spent on something with more widespread applicability.
That said, I think the devs are very responsive to established published examples. If you can provide published examples of your nomenclature being widely used in French-speaking countries, then that’s a pretty convincing argument that it should be adopted in Dorico. The devs monitor all the threads here on the forum, so just post a bunch of scans of print examples by publishers/composers other than yourself, and I’m sure they will take that into consideration for future development.
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