Disappointed to still have to struggle with control over sizes of components of chord symbols in the latest release of Dorico 6. I had really hoped the update would provide control (via engraving defaults or Font Styles) - but it appears I’m still stuck with the Font of the Accidental on a chord root having to be the same size (And Family) as the accidentals on chord extensions. I see others have this same request. I’m aware I can edit the sizes as needed, but it’s still quite tedious even in the new version. How many more $99.00 “upgrades” to get this needed feature?
Screenshot shows a problem with trying make all 7’s in 7th chords larger and higher off the baseline (Apply to all roots)-only seems to work if there is no accidental on the root
Have you watched this video? Anthony explains the new functionality and also the correct sequence of how to achieve it.
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I have watched - I’ll watch again, since it is going against my intuition(or lack of).
I find it a very complex subject, so I’m not saying the solution is obvious, but hopefully you can trace the steps needed to undo any previous manual work and do it “correctly“ according to the new functionality.
rewatched - particularly what seemed to apply to changing the (edited) 7 to apply to all roots, I followed the steps in order per the video and the result is when there is an accidental on the root, the 7 appears on top(crushing) the root as in the previously included screenshot
I’ve included the dialogue box to show some more of what my attempt is. I’m assuming it applies to all roots - but apparently only works on Roots without accidentals.
I think you’re making this way harder than it needs to be. This is just a simple Engraving Options setting:
… and you can control the size and positioning here:
You don’t need to mess with the editor for the new functionality at all for that. (Obviously you’ll need to remove any of your manual overrides with that suffix to see any effect.)
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Except , what if the chord quality numeral is the only item I want bigger or higher up? those engraving settings effect all items in the extensions and chord quality. If you look at a Sher publishing Fakebook (such as All Jazz Real Book) you can see the desired display of chords that I’m trying to duplicate or mimic.
Your response doesn’t address the issue of what appears to be a bug in the new function (“apply to all roots” - see the earlier attached pic showing the glitch in the 3rd chord entered)
If you can upload a small project demonstrating the problem then we can take a look.
Here are the first few changes of the Kenny Garrett tune on page 2 of that book. I took the Brandt-Roemer preset, made a couple of tweaks to the scale factor, then made a global change to the size of the root sharp. As you can see I have no overrides at all:
What elements of that do you still want to change? (None of these edits are new to D6.)
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That would be acceptable to some and is totally readable, but not quite what I want. Things are not really the same in terms of size relationships and spacings. Even if I could live with the font and size relationships I would want to edit the Slash chord spacing tighter.
[Test - Display Glitch in Chords.dorico|attachment]
Included a sample project - that should display the problem. I’ve tried with varied fonts and problem still exists. It only occurs if I enter the 7 as a single override and “Apply to all roots” in the “Project Default Chord Symbol Appearances” dialogue.
Test - Display Glitch in Chords.dorico (1.5 MB)
Size is easy to change globally. That’s just the default kerning on the slashes, new to D6 is the Chord Symbol Kerning Pairs editor where you can tighten those up.
I have no idea what’s going on in your Test project. I don’t have the Acme-Sup font you are using so also have no idea if it’s even compatible with Dorico. (Dorico needs certain glyphs to be in their assigned SMuFL locations, you can’t just use any music font here.) I hit the Revert to Factory arrow for that just to see what’s going on.
I’m not sure what’s happening with the root accidental positioning here. There was another user who posted something similar, and I reported a similar thing when using the Nashville style in D6 (I was using it for analysis.) @Richard_Lanyon, is there some bug going on with this when using All Roots?
For the 7, you’ve created so many overrides that I don’t have any idea what you’ve done or what’s going on. Generally, you shouldn’t need many individual overrides at all, as you’ll want to do things through Engraving Options or create a global override through the editor. All these red triangles are different definitions of the 7 that you’ve created:
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It looks like there’s a problem specifically with using non-baseline (superscript or subscript) accidentals for the root note, when using “Apply to all roots”. We’ll need to take a look at this - sorry about that.
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I’m also unable to delete (Trash can) any of the overrides that were created in previous projects - overrides show up in the left pane of the Project Default Chord Symbol Appearances window. Reset to Factory produces whacky results as well.
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The delete (trash can) icon is only for custom chord symbols - ones you’ve defined yourself. For built-in chord symbols you instead need to “reset” the chord to a default state, which is a separate button.
Reset does not work for me to delete the overrides I’ve defined. Only works to delete chords created in the current document (maybe) - is there a way to purge things another way?
If you have overrides that are in the user library rather than in the score you’ll need to click on the filled-star icon to remove them from there.
Clicking on the star only toggles between a filled star and an empty star - does nothing for me to enable deleting the chord in the “Project Default Chord Symbol Appearances” dialogue. Maybe it’s part of the same bug that is affecting Chords with Superscript Root appearance selected in engraving options. I’ll switch that preference to baseline and see if that changes anything. But ultimately none of the Engraving options provide the look I want and I’ll have to create overrides for every chord (untenable solution really).