thanks., I’m sure you know exactly what that numbers means ? no ? well it’s complicated.
There are 604800 seconds in a week - so every week there will be an issue ? Every 5 minutes - every 6 years…nope, means nothing.
and that’s actually really relating to hardware or server outages - but on top of that you have several software layers…so in reality the number means nothing…suffice to say that service is most definitely not guaranteed…quoting numbers like that means nothing…nada…
Because it’s a new system, I doubt they’re buying in a mature licensing system with a proven track record. The current e-licenser tech was a more mature product which they purchased.
In that regard, should their encryption get hacked/spoofed the worse that can be taken is 30 days of the product. Which is the equivalent of a demo version anyway.
Where it to be a year on usage between validations, or absolutely no kind of timed expiry, it would be disastrous and a complete waste of time and effort.
They’ve expressed a willingness for the system to mature into a greater form, and one imagines that should it prove it’s effectiveness, more flexibility will be made available - such as extended periods between checks I guess?
But again, it’s not at all foreign for anyone using pro-grade software, this is such common practise now I don’t know why so much ignorance and fear exists over connecting to the internet once a month(!?). It’s not like it’s an active task that someone has to carry out, it just sorts itself out.
Anyone working in a professional capacity is usually connected to do business, I work within NDA’s and have to submit a request to have the Elcc software cleared. Other than that our machines are completely tucked away and all file activity is via encrypted methods. I don’t know how we’d work if was completely offline - how the hell could you transmit digital content?!
USB Drive to a different machine that is connected? That wouldn’t be permitted where I work due to limits on USB usage.
So, one back of leak and suddenly one hack or data breach and thousands of cubendo user names and passwords are thrown out online and suddenly there’s thousands of people flooding the 30 day time bomb system with someone else’s details! The criminals out there are going to love it! It’s been years since cubendo has been cracked so that arguments a no no!
Of course it’s not a fear over connecting to the internet once a month.
It’s a practical problem, first: what if the connection is not possible? what if their servers fail? what if they disappear as a company?
The 30 day check is effectively an expiration policy (should be illegal IMO) applied to people who bought licenses and have every right to use them as long as they want.
The current dongle, as hated as it is, does that.
The dongle represents autonomous proof of licensing. Having that is a proof that you paid for the license, nothing else is necessary.
What Steinberg is trying to introduce is a sinister thing, as a matter of principle: even if you paid for the license, even if you proved your ownership by activating it, we want you to report to us once a month, just in case.
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The hackers want the key which enables Cubase to authenticate and run for that 30 day period,. completely separate from hacking into accounts and such like. Nothing alike.
It’s akin to them being able to emulate the dongle, that’s all. Just different tech, but it’s new, of course.
I agree , if you have paid for your software you should be entitled to use it without having to be checked up on once every 30 days . This is not on really when you look at it like that .
none of us have seen the system working - but I resent having licences I’ve paid for being held by SB because they don’t trust me to have them on my computer.
why am I limited to 30 days ? either I’m legitimate or not…why am I legitimate for 30 days at at time ? As I’ve said, this is a subscription with a single upfront payment - it’s not a perpetual licence in any real sense of the word.
I always wanted that Steinberg leaves the elicenser and goes to a non-elicenser system. The main reason for me was to liberate one usb port of my macbook.
Unfortunately, the non-elicenser system that Steinberg has chosen is not good to me.
The obligation of checking the license every 30 days is a risk for me and for my music (like other forumites have said in this thread).
IMO the worst announcement is that the support to e-licenser dongles will be abandonned soon. So, if my dongle gets broken in 2023, I will not be able to replace the dongle and I will lost my licenses.
The e-licenser support to the owners of the last licenses of Cubase (10, 10.5 and 11) should be for 5 years (until 2026).
What connection isn’t possible? That you can’t get an internet connection for 30 days? You’re posting on a forum within hours of the announcement, I don’t think that’s really a concern for you.
What about other software you use? Nothing else requires the internet? Do you only do business once a month? what about sharing of content and finished files?
At least be honest with yourself if we’re going to be having this debate, you don’t go any time without the internet. You’d probably freak out if you were a week without it, and even then Cubase would run for 4x that period.
Same for dongle users, you need the internet to authenticate a dongle on first install with a new machine. As will be demonstrated when the servers drop for current/soon to be legacy users in the future.
Once the elcc software fails to load on your O/S you’ll lose access anyway, that’s the problem with the current system it’s half hardware yet still reliant on updates and internet connection.
Then don’t buy C12 or accept the EULA policy, you’re freaking out about losing access to the software yet the only real risk of not using it is your own inhibitions and vast over-reaction. Steinberg are way late to the party on this, I just can’t comprehend how anyone are in shock or so confused over it. You login, that’s all, it does the rest. What is so complicated and illegal about that?
They’ve already said that they’re working on the 1 year offline systems for people. At least read the FAQ, it’s more sinister to be attributing inaccuracies at a company wishing to protect it’s assets and converse with users.
The only thing that worries me about this licensing system is that it works with credentials. What happens if at any given moment someone steals your account and you lose access? It would be nice to implement a two-step authentication system, to reinforce the security of our accounts.
I think you might be surprised by the restriction that studios impose on production facilities in 2021. Zero internet - zero phone home. Probably not at all relevant to the vast majority of Cubase users but surely some Nuendo users are gonna have issues with it.
Are we in a better position now than we were ? We now have 30 day rolling temp licences - a need to phone home - a reliance on SB to provide 100% uptime …I could go on.
You don’t seem to be comprehending what you’re reading.
But as a matter of principle, is not your business how much people stay on the internet.
It’s off course VERY possible for someone to not have access to the internet for 30 days.
It’s even more possible to not START Cubase for more than a month and then to want to use it while not having internet access (on a plane, a remote place etc) and to find yourself unable to use your paid license.
I really did not understand. what happens if i don’t run cubase, dorico or halion on my pc for more than 30 days? do licenses die? I often happen to be out of my studio for more than thirty days because I play on different tours … what happens to my licenses when I get back?
having the ability to run on two doric and cubase machines at the same time is important to me, but I don’t want to lose the licenses I paid for because I’m out of my studio working.
I work exactly in that scenario so nothing will surprise me one bit, we work under NDA subject to security monthly audits, taken over by a corporate 3 years ago with the most stubborn IT team you could imagine. It’s been absolute hell with the lockdown period and being able to work, incredibly stressful.
This concept of zero internet is just a fallacy, as you’d be out of work within a month. I don’t know anyone around these industries that isn’t connected. Pre-release content is handled and REQUIRES an active encrypted connection for us to be able to deal with it.
Are you suggesting that you’re all walking around with USB/Portable Drives and can plug into any machine to transport data? It’s just nonsense man, I was in servicing before this and the only studios without an internet connection were small time “Fred in the shed” tucked away in the country. But even they’re hammering away on social media via their phone and snag a connection when it suits them.
The only other locations are sound proofed rooms where electronics are restricted, but the hardware is outside of that area anyway.
So yes, getting a connection just isn’t an issue. If it is you’re dead on work, or stuck in the CD printing business in the Outer Hebrides.
hi italyuser - you won’t lose your licences permanently but it’s possible that your software will refuse to work if you haven’t refreshed the licences in 30 days
