Condensing change dialog not allowing me to make changes

By default, Dorico condensed the 2 clarinets together on the first system, and I would like to manually override this because the music is a bit complicated (and to match an edition I am copying from). However, when I go to the Condensing Change dialog in Engrave mode and click on the clarinet group, the options are not active as seen in the attached image. Only the flute group is allowing me to make any condensing changes. Probably something obvious that I’m missing.

link to dorico file: Mahler Symphony No. 1.dorico - Google Drive


Yes - you have to activate the checkbox at the very top left for this group first :slight_smile:

Hmm, not sure what you mean… I did activate the checkbox for the clarinet group, which is the group I wanted to adjust (see the image). Only clicking the flute group causes the condensing options to light up.

Firstly, there’s no point selecting the Flute group if your Clarinets is the one that is ticked.

And, if you didn’t already know, after you select the clarinet group you need to click the little switches to the left of the “Reset” buttons to make them active.

If this doesn’t help, can you please select the clarinet group that you have ticked and send a screenshot?

Right, I only tried selecting other groups since the clarinet one wasn’t working. I discovered that the flute group was working (when I ticked it, I mean), but the others were not.

If you look closely at the screenshot I sent, the little reset switches you are referring to aren’t even appearing at all, that’s exactly what I’m saying. When I ticked the flute group, only then did those switches appear, enabling me to select reset or manually override. In the screenshot, the switches are blank even though the clarinet group has been ticked.

I’m pretty sure selecting the ticked group in blue doesn’t make any difference, but I can check again in the morning when I get a chance.

It certainly does. The switches won’t be enabled for a selected group unless that group is ticked - as you’ve discovered with the Flutes.

Yes you’re right - so apparently ticking is not enough, you also need to have the group selected. Is there a reason you would ever want to tick a group but not have it selected automatically? It’s a bit unintuitive (unlike the vast majority of things in Dorico).

I was well aware that you need to tick the group you want, hence why the clarinet group is ticked in the screenshot. But it needs to be selected as well as ticked, and those two things can happen separately for some reason.

I can only guess but I’m sure there’s a good reason.

Ticking the boxes alone tells Dorico to create a condensing change in that group - to split a phrase into two so that the music can be evaluated again, using the default condensing settings.

The other options are there if you want a specific type of condensing change.

That’s just my guess…

Yeah, perhaps something like that - like you said, there’s probably a good reason.

I just looked this up in the user manual. im sure it sheds more light than my guess…

Thanks. Yes, definitely more going on behind the scenes.

It might be helpful if there was more indication of it on the GUI. Once you see how to do it though, it’s pretty straightforward.