Condensing change for different rhythm

I’m trying to use condensing for certain measures that contain different rhythmic values. Picture 1 shows the music before condensing, and Picture 2 shows it after. I want to preserve the same rhythmic values for Voices 1 and 2 independently in the condensed version. I attempted to use Force Duration by selecting the notes and pressing O before condensing, hoping to lock the rhythm, but that didn’t work.

I also attempted to use the manual condensing options in Engrave mode, assigning Voice 1 to up-stems and Voice 2 to down-stems, but I was still unable to achieve the desired result.

Can anyone help me figure out what I might be doing wrong?

It is not clear what you are trying to achieve. Can you upload the Dorico file?

My apologies if I wasn’t clear. I’ve revised the original post and hope it’s clearer now. Thank you!

Seriously we’d need a file to understand how you have set things up. Otherwise we waste enormous efforts just guessing.

If you’ve forced manual condensing in your condensing change and you’ve assigned both instruments to the same voice, that would explain the results you’re seeing. It’s really only possible to give a real diagnosis if you provide the project file itself, however.

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example.dorico (1.9 MB)

Here we go! Thank you so much!

(Others may have better solutions)

As @dspreadbury says, your manual condensing has put both Tenors into the same voice.

But also the problem is the breath marks in bar 5 that appear to prevent condensing. I can get condensing by aligning the position of end of bar breath mark, but I cannot with the additional mark in Tenor2.

The best I could manage was…

example (5)-edit.dorico (1.4 MB)

Hi Janus,

Thank you very much for your time and attention to this matter. I truly appreciate your help.

I removed the breath mark, but I haven’t been able to achieve the result you demonstrated. I’m not sure what I might be doing wrong.

I also noticed that Tenor 1 and 2 are appearing with two stems instead of as a2. Could you please explain how to have them display as a2 rather than with separate stems?

I’ve been trying to research and troubleshoot these two issues all day, but I haven’t had much success so far. Any further guidance would be greatly appreciated.

Sorry, in attempting to investigate this I made some changes to the Notation Options>Condensing (but failed to log them!). Take a look at the file I posted.

(Condensing has many subtleties and is perhaps still more art than science!)

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One cannot make the two voices a2 without sharing stems and causing the situation you originally wanted to change.

I suggest you take a look at the condensing panel Janus invokes at measure 6 in his version to assign each Tenor part to its own voice.

Thank you so much. It worked!