Condensing phantom item that I can't find/delete in full score

Hello! There seems to be an item attached to the beginning of my bars (“s” and “a’“) that is likely leftover from my xml import (originally a Finale file, part labels in the score).

  • It appears in my Sop/Alto condensing, which is working GREAT except for this mystery.
  • I cannot find it in my full score to delete it.
  • I tried deleting the notes in the full score and the “s” just moved to the next bar. Whaaa?

Here are two screen shots, showing the phantom objects before and after I did the delete test (bar 71).

Thoughts on how I could identify and remove the culprit? Thanks in advance!

Do you have Signposts showing or hidden. These look like staff labels common in divisi sections. Could the XML have triggered a divisi structure?

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Thank you for your reply Derrek. I just spent some time investigating divisi settings in a new file. I can see divisi signposts and change whether/how the labels appear. Thanks for the heads up about this feature!

Sadly, my score doesn’t show similar signposts and replicating the settings has no effect. I tend to agree that it’s triggered by the original xml and am accepting the fact it’s probably a bug in my file. Sigh!

Could you supply the file, or just part of it, that shows the issue?

Jesper

Condensing phantom label.dorico (771.2 KB)

Hi Jesper! Here’s the file (with a bunch of deleted stuff, of course). The phantom labels “S” and “A” are visible at bar 22.

Those are Player Labels for Soprano & Alto. You can select them in Engrave Mode and turn on “Hide” in the Properties Panel. I don’t think there is a global option to hide all of them — except by changing the “Player Labels” Paragraph Style to 0% and white foreground. But I could be wrong…

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charles_piano your solution works to make those labels not show up. Thank you! This will definitely do what I need for now. I still wonder why they appeared at all, etc. but can live with the mystery. Ha!

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It’s an automatic function of condensing: since there are (at least) two instruments sharing a staff, a label indicates who is playing when it might be unclear (such as fl. 1, fl. 2, or a2 when they play unisono)…

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But seem a bit unnecessary here, where the sopranos are always upstem and the altos downstem, no?

Jesper

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Absolutely!

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And why it starts appearing halfway through the piece is odd as well.

Dorico is still sub-optimal when condensing vocal parts with different lyrics. This is a known limitation.

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Not 100% sure, but I think it’s related to the fact that in all the previous systems, both your “instruments” (so, both your singers!) were playing (singing) on the first beats of the systems. When it doesn’t happen (systems of bars 22, 25, 28…), staff labels show up.

Quick try with two flutes:

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That’s expected because the rest breaks the condensing phrase, so Dorico starts a new one.

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That’s it! But it’s apparently related to the start of systems, I don’t think I had noticed that.

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Woah. I tested changing the rhythm so each voice is singing on beat one at the beginning of the system, and yup, the player label went away. Amazing detective work charles_piano!

So a recap is:

Player labels will appear if one of the players has a rest at the beginning of the system and the other does not. When these appear, we can hide them by selecting them in engrave mode and turning on “hide” in the properties panel.

Thanks very much for your assistance!

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Yes. (I’m sure the condensing algorithms will improve in future releases)

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