Please refer to the middle bar of this screen shot in the condensed 2nd and 3rd Trumpet part. The top notes (2nd Tpt). are correct but the bottom noted (3rd Tpt.) should have a quarter note on beat three, not two tied 8th notes. It looks correct when I look at the 3ed Tpt. part but turns into this in the condensed score. There must be some setting I have selected incorrectly in the Condensing page under Notation Options. Anyone know which setting fixes this?
Thanks for any advice.
It appears as though both instruments are condensed into the one voice. Can you upload that part of your project, please.
Daniel,
Absolutely. Please see the attached Dorico file. The issue Issue is in m. 105 in 2nd and 3rd Tpt. The same issue occurs earlier in the piece in Alto Sax 1 and 2 but I figured if I can figure out how to correct the Tpt part here I can apply the same fix to the A. Sax part.
Thanks again.
Gary
Condensing Issue.dorico (1.2 MB)
At bar 21, you have a Manual Condensing Change that puts both trumpets into Up-stem Voice 1.
Either remove it or put in another one further on to reset the condensing.
Quickly looking at your other Manual Condensing Changes makes me think there might be an easier way to get what you want.
E.G.
The one at bar 27 for the Alto Saxes. What is its purpose?
FWIW if you’re hoping it will condense into one voice automatically, it won’t: Alto 2 is missing the mp dynamic. Removing the condensing change and adding the missing dynamic produce the desired result (plus it’s correct!)
The one at bar 77: I’m assuming you just want the music in the previous 8 bars to be in one voice? If so, reseting the condensing is enough. There’s no need to make any Notation Options changes within the Manual Condensing Change.
Select the Manual Condensing Change signpost, simply tick the Alto Saxes.
Daniel,
Leaving to go ro a rehearsal this evening. I will look all this over in the morning.
Thank you so much. You have been a tremendous help in many areas recently.
Gary
Daniel,
I want to again thank you for all the trouble you have gone through to try to help me get my music looking good. I know you must be rolling your eyes when you see a post from me. I am feeling very frustrated here with the whole condensing issue. I seem to digging a deeper and deeper who;e and don’t know how to get out of it.
What I would like to be able to do is set up condensing groups that combine Clarinet 2 and 3, Alto Sax 1 and 2, Trumpet 2 and 3, and Trombone 2 and three.
Each of these groups would share common stems when they are a2, they would also share common stems when in divisi but have the same rhythm, and have opposite stems when they rhythms of each part are different. I would also like (when one of the two parts is not playing) for rests to show in the part that is not playing.
This is kind of the standard setup most of the publishers I work with use. Unfortunately, I can’t seem to get the settings right to make that happen. I have watched a rather lengthy video on condensing and have also even printed out and read the Dorico Help link you sent. There just seem to be too many variables to consider. The whole “Condensing Change” window is a mystery to me. I fon’t get what variables control what.
If I were to send you the entire piece, would you be willing to set up the condensing logically and then take screen shots of the windows you used to accomplish that?
If this is too much to ask I completely understand and I will eventually figure all this out.
Thanks again for all your patient help.
Have a great day.
Gary
Sure, I’ll give it my best shot. There may be things that I’m not sure how to solve though, just so you know!
PM me the file or a Dropbox link etc
It might be the case that you’ll be able to just import the settings I adjust via the Library Manager. You’d also be able to see what the changes are. There would be a couple of “what method did you use?”.
Condensing is a very complex and subtle topic. I think it’s OK to feel frustrated. But as you gain experience, you will learn what to look out for when faced with an unexpected condensing result.
Dear Janus,
Several weeks ago you were very helpful assisting me with some condensing issues I was having. That piece eventually got to where the parts where condensing like a wanted them to. This new piece is again driving me crazy and I wondered if you might help again. See the attached partial score. Notice the 2nd and 3rd Clarinets condensed as expected until ms. 35-37. I have tried to follow your previous instructions to get these measure to look right but have spent hours trying to make the “condensing changes” and just am still doing something wrong.
I tried clicking on a note on m. 35 on beat one and went to the Engrave Menu and selected “Condensing Change” by putting a check mark beside Cl. 2&3 and the clicking “O.K.” without checking anything esle in that window. You can see that there are several “condensing change” signposts. Nothing seems to happen when I go thorough that process. Same deal in Alto Sax 1&2 at m. 18 and 19 and at m. 24. It seems no matter how many tries to click on spot and make a condensing change I can’t get the stems to go in the same direction when the rhythms are matched up. The condensing doea well for most of the piece but in spots were I want the condensing to recalculate I run into trouble.
I am starting to get fairly fluent with my use of Dorico except for this condensing issue which is driving me crazy.
Any help appreciated.
Gary
Condensing Trouble Woes.dorico (1.2 MB)
I did just notoced that A crescendo was missing in the uncondensed Cl. 3 part and remember you telling me that both parts to be condensed had to have the same markings on both parts so m. 35 did condense for me. But not ms. 36 and 37 which appear to me to have all the same markings but won’t condense to the stem matching in the same direction. What could be wrong there?
Thanks.
Gary
Daniel,
Several weeks ago you were very helpful assisting me with some condensing issues I was having. That piece eventually got to where the parts where condensing like a wanted them to. This new piece is again driving me crazy and I wondered if you might help again. See the attached partial score. Notice the 2nd and 3rd Clarinets condensed as expected until ms. 35-37. I have tried to follow your previous instructions to get these measure to look right but have spent hours trying to make the “condensing changes” and just am still doing something wrong.
I tried clicking on a note on m. 35 on beat one and went to the Engrave Menu and selected “Condensing Change” by putting a check mark beside Cl. 2&3 and the clicking “O.K.” without checking anything esle in that window. You can see that there are several “condensing change” signposts. Nothing seems to happen when I go thorough that process. Same deal in Alto Sax 1&2 at m. 18 and 19 and at m. 24. It seems no matter how many tries to click on spot and make a condensing change I can’t get the stems to go in the same direction when the rhythms are matched up. The condensing doea well for most of the piece but in spots were I want the condensing to recalculate I run into trouble.
I am starting to get fairly fluent with my use of Dorico except for this condensing issue which is driving me crazy.
Any help appreciated.
Gary
Condensing Trouble Woes.dorico (1.2 MB)
I did just notoced that A crescendo was missing in the uncondensed Cl. 3 part and remember you telling me that both parts to be condensed had to have the same markings on both parts so m. 35 did condense for me. But not ms. 36 and 37 which appear to me to have all the same markings but won’t condense to the stem matching in the same direction. What could be wrong there?
Thanks.
Gary
For telling Dorico to “rephrase”, you don’t need to put a Condensing Change immediately after rests (e.g. Altos at bar 38); Dorico will already be recalculating there. (This is unless you have actually manually changed the condensing earlier and you want to reset this to Dorico’s settings.)
Bar 18, Alto 2 was missing a slur.
Bar 24, Alto 1 missing a slur and Condensing Changes needed as below:
EDIT
Also, as an example, if you wanted the three beats starting at beat 3 of bar 22 to be condensed into one stem, you would need similar condensing changes on either side of it.
Condensing Trouble Woes v2.dorico (1.2 MB)
Daniel,
Thanks again for your help on my Condensing problems. I will try to process this tomorrow and see it I can figure it out.
Have a great night and thanks again.
Gary
Daniel,
Any idea what might be going on with the 2nd & 3rd Tpts. on the middle staff with these double notes? That;s a new one. Have not seen that before.
Thanks.
Have you checked to make sure that each instrument only contains one note?
Would many of these issues be at least partly sorted if users could condense a highlighted region only without having Dorico look for rests? I often seem to have to make a condensing change on the first half of a measure then having to do another one (or a reset) in the second half of the same measure. Apology in advance if this feature exists; please inform me how to activate it! Otherwise, please consider this to be a feature request! 
Euphonium,
I agree. I understand the reasoning in part of using rests to determine phrases but so much music includes rests within phrases if that makes sense and having to reset or make condensing changes at every rest is cumbersome in some pieces. I think your idea of having the user dictate where to have condensing take place is a logical idea. This has also been difficult at times because when an area in condensed and the the two parts come together creating an “a2” in the score and then that a2 appears at the end of every rest and at the beginning of every page takes a lot of time to go through and hide all of those a2’s. I just did a piece where I had to go through ahd hide over 50 a2 designations. Whew! It would have been quicker for me to just put all of them in manually.
Hi, Ghfagan51!
I do a lot of wind ensemble and brass ensemble work, and I have also had to deal with the “hiding a2” issue. British Brass Band scores are not a problem since there is no condensing. Suffice it to say that I have spent considerable time undoing a lot of condensing to get a more uniform look to my scores. Maybe it’s my problem, but I don’t like to see five different styles of condensing in a line of a score just because rests are present.
Shall I make a feature request?
Things like the overabundance of a2’s are definitely on the developers’ radar to address at some point. And they read every forum post so by talking about it, in a sense you’ve already made your feature request.
