Actually, don’t worry about it. For people being used to reading condensed content, it’s totally normal, because condensing depends on the music.
(That does not mean that you should never use manual condensing changes, just that you don’t need to think about it too much.)
Hugo,
Ben blij dat de ontwikkelaars op de hoogte zijn van het probleem..ik vind “condensing” (hoe zeg je dat op z’n Hollands?) een van Dorico’s (heel weinige) zwaktepunten…Ik schrijf en lees Nederlands heel graag…maar er is niemand hier om mee te praten!
I showed some output to local conductors whose opinions I value and they were not necessarily enthusiastic about Dorico’s native condensing. Perhaps I am worrying too much, but I like a more uniform look to my scores. That takes a lot of condensing changes.
When you describe condensing as a weak point you are aware that no other notation software can do this at all? It’s just a very complex area with a lot of edge cases, and some babysitting is required.
Er zijn op dit forum wel een handvol Nederlanders en Vlamingen, maar te weinig om een aparte afdeling te vormen. Bovendien heeft de software ook geen NL lokalisatie, dus is de communicatie het makkelijkst als die gewoon in het Engels gaat.
Ik weet er geen goed Nederlands woord voor. Ik hou het maar gewoon op ‘Condensing’. Bij ‘condensatie’ denk ik toch vooral aan nattigheid…
I worked almost exclusively with Finale until I switched to Dorico. In Finale, the user creates the score exactly how s/he wants it to appear, then Finale splits the multipart staves into separate individual parts according to parameters set by the user. I find that advantageous, logical, and easier to work with.
In Dorico, it is necessary to create a score that does not serve as a final product, and then condense it. This requires extra work to ensure that the final score has the desired appearance. That requires extra time.
In the end, however, I suppose the total amount of time to complete a project favors Dorico, since it requires less fine-tuning overall. I spend less time working on parts in Dorico than I did in Finale, so maybe I shouldn’t complain.
I still believe that a Dorico user should be able to select a region of music and apply a condensing change to that region ONLY-no change to any music under, above, to the left, or to the right of the selected region. Then I would be in Dorico Nirvana.
As to Dutch, I hold very fond memories of my time in Scheveningen and other places–a half-century ago. My only chance to practice Dutch these days is either on internet forums or on my amateur radio set.
Well, you actually write the parts as you want them to appear on the score the players will read. As its the main purpose of a notation software, it does serve a purpose.
Condensing change>Manual condensing>Do not condense could be worth exploring
That is already possible with condensing changes, but it is a complex and subtle area.
This is interesting because it shows how workflows can differ between individuals. I used to do the exact opposite in Finale: I wrote out the parts on individual staves and then combined them later for the full score. So Dorico’s condensing method fitted me like a glove.
I guess this also depends on perspective/workflow. In Finale I worked almost exclusively in Scroll view until it was time to prepare the layout, at which point I switched to Page view. I therefore never considered anything I did during note input in Scroll view to be the ‘final product’. I looked at it like a behind the scenes view of what you are preparing for the performer. In Dorico I use Galley view in the exact same way. I hardly ever touch Page view in Write mode - it’s either Galley view or Engrave mode for me. Of course YMMV and if one prefers to work in Page View during note input, that puts things in a different perspective.
Same here, and for one simple reason: I write mostly for wind band, and with 25+ players I need to have condensing on. In Page view, this makes most of the staves uneditable, so it’s either Galley view or Engrave mode for me, too.
Is it possible? Everything I have read in the manual says that a condensing change works from the selection point forward, and I have seen instances where a condensing change in one staff affects a staff above. Have I missed something? If so, please tell me how to do it.
Yes, but you can use a later change to reset.
You can affect one, or multiple, condensing groups with each condensing change.