Condensing single-line time signatures in orchestra score - example from Holst

I am copying and engraving an unknown piece of Gustav Holst at the moment. I have encountered a problem in rendering the following moment:

In galley view I have entered this

In page view, this results

As you can see, the 15/8 time signatures do not condense onto the 2 flutes and 2 oboes staves. Any idea how this may be accomplished?

Side question – is this the best/only way to achieve this kind of 5/4 and 15/8 happening at the same time sort of thing at the moment?

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Hi @pcg1993, I tried but cannot reproduce your issue.

Can you post a cut-down version of your project that shows the issue?

Hear my attempt. Did I made something conceptually different?:

Dorico file:
15-8 vs 5.4.dorico (604.3 KB)

Result:

Thanks @Christian_R you’re right yours seems to be working. Not sure what I’m doing differently. Here’s that moment from my file.
5-4 15-8 example.dorico (1.0 MB)

@pcg1993
Thank you for the file.

I tried, and indeed also in my file, if I add a bar before the mixed time signatures bar (so that the latter bar is positioned not at the beginning of the system), the local time signature, on condensed staves, disappears.

It has probably something to do with System Breaks (as the disappearing of condensed local time signatures happens only mid-system): if I put a system break where the condensed local time signatures disappearing occurs, they magically reappear (even if the cautionaries still are not appearing.

Not sure if this was already discussed (if someone knows, please post a link).

Here the System Break applied to your example (TS reappear, cautionary TS still not appearing):

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Strange! Nice investigative work. Hmm wondering what to do for now. I suppose just make a system break for the time being and live without the cautionary for this job. But it’s not ideal.

You can add the cautionaries as text using MusGlyphs.

But let’s wait also if someone else has other ideas/suggestions.

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Hi @pcg1993.
I’m having a look at your file, trying various things to see what effect they have. So far, no joy in getting the 15/8 to show when condensing is on. However I discovered one thing which might be a clue for the Dorico development team if they decide to investigate, namely that the instruments which have the 15/8 local time signature (which is being treated as a pickup bar with hidden tuplets, etc.) will not allow their barline type to be changed at that point. For example, if I select the barline and use the popover or the side panel to change it to a double barline, a final barline, etc., all those which have 5/4 will change but the 15/8 staves will stay with a single barline.

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good point … if it isn’t solved by the time I have to submit this job, I may do that!

interesting! thanks for trying @StevenJones01

I can confirm @Christian_R’s observation that the local time signatures disappear in condensing if the local TS’s occur mid-system but behave as expected if at the start of a system (with or without a manually-entered system break).

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This is indeed a known problem, and it’s on our backlog as something we plan to fix in a future version.

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Thanks for letting me know @dspreadbury ! Much appreciated.