Indeed, I confirm. The bug is that the album tool window gives wrong times. A simple way to solve the problem: toggle between the 2 formats (see picture). Or close and reopen the montage.
Sam also found another related bug that I’m having a hard time following related to copies of the clips in the “Edits” folder. He said he is restricted from posting here for a certain amount of time for some reason but I’m sure he’ll follow up when possible.
@PG1 Thanks, the visual problem is no big problem for me but good to know it exists.
I have continued testing and discovered two more things of interest.
When using Create Customised Audio Montage dialogue some of the new audio doesn’t seem to get found even though it is present in the directory with an identical file name.
The problem with inconstancies in the custom duplicates appears to be related audio that originated in different folders. I will try to explain the scenario;
One file in my montage had been de-noised in RX. Therefore this audio file was automatically saved in the system.mon>edits directory. I sample-rate converted this and put it in the new folder alongside the remaining mixes that had been converted 44.1 kHz. This seems to cause a problem in the duplicated montage. Removing this audio file from the montage resulted in all the audio, markers and trimming being duplicated successfully. Whereas if this file was present in the montage the other audio files did not duplicate successfully and the untrimmed audio was placed in the new montage.
I have checked the length of the files and they are the same in 44.1K and 48K.
So having audio outside the montage clip (with the little grey arrow) doesn’t seem to be a problem in itself except in these conditions. I discussed previously with Justin the merits of have files that have been edited in an external editor being saved in the original directory to allow for this and I think I mentioned it on this forum. If this was an option it might solve this problem.
Not sure to follow all what you said, but I strongly recommend to have the resamples audio files in a different folder than the original audio files. Ideally, this folder should only contain the resampled audio files.
Thanks @PG1
I store all the resampled audio files in their own folder… and point to this folder when I make the Customised Montage duplicate.
The problem seems to happen if one of these files has been passed through RX so far as I can tell. If one file has been through RX then all the trimming information in the montage appears to be lost across all of the audio.
If the files that have been through RX are removed prior to making the duplicate montage then the montage duplicates perfectly. The RX-edited files are exactly the same length.
You mean, if the files are erase from your drive?
No, just removed from the timeline in the montage.
If the clips are not present, how can they be replaced? I still can’t grasp the issue I guess.
Do you mean that if the source file is edited with an external editor, and a copy is created in the “Edits” folder and the active version on the timeline, that those versions are not correctly placed when the Customized Duplicate Feature is used?
If so, are you doing this trimming in the external editor (RX) or in the WaveLab Audio Montage?
Removing any clips that have been in RX means the all the other clips behave as expected.
Whereas, if any clips have been through RX, all the other clips are adversely effected.
Apologies for my lack of clarity, I am explaining it as clearly as I am able.
Yes, the source files are edited externally and saved in the "edits’ folder and are active on the time line.
When I used the Customized Duplicate function if any of these audio files from the “edits” folder are present it affects ALL the audio files on the montage timeline, and not only the ones that have been externally edited.
To answer the second question,
All the trimming is done on the montage timeline. The files are never changed in length in RX.
The Customised Audio Montage Duplicate feature requires that each clip relates to a single audio file, and that these files are not edited. When you edit partially or not the audio file used by a clip, a new audio file is created, with an auto-generated name and location. This means, the audio file you want to replace is no longer the one with the clip, hence the Customised Audio Montage Duplicate feature can’t work.
Look at the files actually referenced by the audio montage to better see what I mean.
Thanks, this is a real shame.
I still find it strange as it is able find the edited file and duplicate it in the new montage, but it afffects all the of audio that has not been edited. This still feels like a bug.
Looking in the Files window., see picture, the files are all pointing to the correct audio that is active in the session. As you said earlier, a file is a file, the origin doesn’t matter, so I am confused as to why the file with the suffix _2_3_3 causes so many problems. This is exactly the file I want to duplicate in the new montage, and it is found by Wavelab, the only problem is that it seems to adversely effect all the other clips in the montage.
I will leave this now as I don’t think I am making a good job of explaining it. I think @Justin_Perkins understands what I am talking about?
I would love to find a solution so I could still duplicate the montage after using RX. It would be great there was option to put the externally edited files back in the same directory so all the active files could be sample rate converted in the same place.
The feature is based on audio file names, not on clip per-see.
The solution in your case, is to update the file name and location of the audio file used by your clip.
Note that the use of the Customised Audio Montage Duplicate feature is if you want to resample your audio file outside WaveLab.
There is a simpler and direct solution:
Thanks, I use this all the time as well.
I have renamed the file manually and relinked it from the “recordings” folder. I have also renamed the corresponding SRC’d file and tried again. The result is the same.
I have moved the file in question from the ‘edits’ folder to the ‘recordings’ folder and relinked in the Files Tab. Still the same issue.
In the duplicate montage, files tab, the file names turn red instead of green. What is the significcance of this? as all the audio is there? Expect one (unedited) file which it can’t seem to find. Note how all the markers have again stayed in the original position where as all the audio has changed length due to “untrimming”.
One more…
So this image is the same exact process but wither removing the file that has been edited prior to Custom Duplication. Now it works well, except for the unexplained loss of the last track.
All the trimming is present from the original montage and lined up with the audio.
Your file that does not match has the suffix “_2_3_3”.
I guess your resampled file had not the same suffix.