Creating special custom tuplet ratios for contemporary music

Hello everyone!

I’m trying to create this (tuplet bracket with “5 : dotted quarter”).

Ignore for now the size of the 5 which is too big (or of any other specific element), I can adjust that easily enough. What is blocking me is that, to achieve this, I need to create a line annotation made of music symbols and that, to get the background erasure, I need to select the ‘center’ alignment option. From what I understand, Dorico is taking the total height of the symbol to calculate its center, thus taking the half of the quarter note stem.

So far, I have simply failed to find a solution to this. Any idea? Using a text object as centred annotation is failing so far as well because, if I create a Font Style with Bravura or Bravura Text, and then add a text object, it gives Arial-style results (not 100% sure why). If I go to the Text Tab, select Tuplet Font, I get the same sans-serif result.

Perhaps I’m missing something basic?

Has anyone managed to create special tuplet brackets like this?

Musically, what does this mean?
Five whats in the space of what?

Five 8ths in the space of a dotted quarter. Definitely not a new thing.

But the 8ths are not specified… It could be 5 anythings.

This should be 5e:q. (or more simply the one Dorico allows 5:3e)

I find it confusing that there are two tuplets, one above the other.

Are they really both needed?

To me it seems that one of the tuplets would suffice.

Ciao @MicheleGalvagno, maybe something like this?

(edit: I changed the position of the dot)

I used Centred Annotation created in the Music symbol category, as you, but the symbol is positioned half way in my example. Not sure what are the different settings in your file: maybe the attachments or the offsets in the Edit Line Annotation dialogue?. You can see in my file here below.

Here the screenshots with the workflow (which is quite the same as yours):

Dorico file example:
fake tuplet.dorico (1.3 MB)

If you upload a Dorico file, we can check what is going on in your settings.

I appreciate and respect your opinion, but this is not a matter of whether this is clear or not, rather of understanding why what I was trying to achieve seemed not possible.

That was just to show the original ratio (below) and what the composer wanted (above). One of the two will of course go away in the end.

@Christian_R : your procedure is the same as the one I used, but my note is slightly larger and a bit higher (actually your quarter note is quite low, which is probably what helps). Here is a Dorico file where I’ve imported exclusively the line annotations and styles:

Tuplet 5 over dotted 4er.dorico (537.9 KB)