Cubase 12 promotes emigration to other DAWs

Yeah actually there are a lot of us here using Cubase Pro 12 just fine with no issues… On top of that, most folks NOT having any issues wont be posting here. Sorry but a handful of folks with installation issues and internet trouble doesn’t mean Cubase 12 is not working for everyone.

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Well you havn’t been here for so long I guess. :wink: Some of these bugs has been around for long time! All we like to see, is that somebody takes care of the problem. You know for a professionel, sitting in front of my studio every day, it gets on your nerves right!

“handful of folks with installation issues and internet trouble”-really?
Are you saying I can’t handle my system?
Why should it be a problem with the system, when you run C11 without issues, than make the upgrade (same day, same OS, same internet provider…) to C12 and there are crashes and issues?
Every other software works fine!

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But when you read of refunds being refused for folks having problems it’s not sending out great publicity either:

Well, it seems that good-old Cubase can’t manage updating its parts (and adding new ones) without creating some fuss for quite a few users… It’s not easy running the ship of Theseus against an ever faster wave of obsolescence.

The only hint I can give is to install the latest update of C12, and see if it works for you. As a side note, Reaper is great and it’s as cheap as they come.

Hmmmm… :wink: … what you see is my signature which I have not updated - thank you for this feedback.
Facts are: I am working with the latest C12 version. So now - what would you like to talk about “again”? :slight_smile:

Well. It’s the reason why I am also the owner of Ableton 11. Great DAW. Of course I love Cubase. And I am also thinking about the Reaper for example. But for the film scoring Cubase is the king IMHO. I am agree that will be great to have more fixes and more stability. By that side Reaper is KING I think )

I have been using Reaper for more than 10 years and it is remarkably stable. However: One can drive Reaper and Cubase and maybe any modern DAW unstable depending on the third party plugins one uses. Im my experience most of the instabilities I experienced with Reaper came from certain VST plugins. Meanwhile I have reduced my VST arsenal dramatically and try do get along with stock plugins in Cubase 12 and a small set of third party VSTs. As a consequence I’m experiencing a very stable Cubase 12 on my Macs. The main thing a found a bit buggy is the new Steinberg licensing system, however my bad experiences with this were on the DORICO side and Cubase 12 was fine in this regard. After the initial trouble with Cubase 12 performance in the initial release phase I’m very satisfied with Cubase 12.

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I wish I could do that, but it’s just not possible…I also tried Reaper, but it looked very alien to me.

I absolutely agree that there are some (even old) bugs that are annoying. So yes, we have the right to claim imfprovements.
I am even ok with spontanuous rants - but the general “Cubase is sh*t, it does not work at all”-type of threads that comes with “I will change DAW” I consider to be absolutely useless (except for letting out emotions). They are in most cases just generalizing and claiming to be “majority experiences”, which they obviously are NOT.

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REAPER provides an option to run plugins in their own process (i.e. sandboxing). Entirely separate from the DAW. Bitwig also has great implementation of this.

By comparison, Steinberg won’t even commit to supporting their own VST2 format.

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yes I know, but when the sandbox process dies your session is disturbed as well…

Well, disturbed is different to a DAW being unstable. Breaking a string or guitar going out of tune can disturb a session, that’s just part of working.

Having an unstable host is something entirely different and brings far greater issues. Not all modern DAWs suffer in the same way, because they’ve implemented systems to aid compatibility and stability.

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C12 also runs very stable here. Since the last maintenance update it only crashed once, and that was in a busy project when trying out new plugins. However, I think there are still some smaller annoying bugs, which need to be fixed.

I can confirm, that crashes mostly have to do with 3rd party plugins (which are out of control of Steinberg). But I am also convinced, that SB have to make sure, that even if a plugin crashes, Cubase has to make sure it runs, no matter what. Thats why I made this FR not long time ago. Would be nice if you could support it by giving it a vote, if you think the same:

@skijumptoes @absolute-music @jazztom @Elien @somecomposer @inthefold

There is a wiki post with collection of old and new bugs. Some few have been fixed but not a single comment from Steinberg about the list, some of the items have at least some comments from moderators others are totally silence.

Just for statistics of this thread. I use Cubase 12 on my MBP released back in 2015 and I don’t have any major issues.

Can’t say it about WaveLab 11 though :frowning:

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Great to hear, would be good to hear some good stories for C12, I have the fear of God for the update from all the complaints…

Just keep in mind, people posting here on the forum are the minority of users in general and the majority of them only starts interacting here, if they have any issues or questions. Therefore you read mostly about bugs and errors here.

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There are some really good sets of instructions for update/upgrade in these forums, please post if you are interested but can’t find them (can search for a post with [ “alexis” plus “Matthias_Quellman”], the link to the post with helpful directions is on one of those, sorry can’t remember details).

Most important IMHO though - before update/upgrade do the most complete backup/imaging of your computer you can to media you can access even if your computer won’t boot up, so if things go south you can get back to where you were before the attempt to update/upgrade.

I’m a little paranoid, but what I did before I upgraded to C12 Pro from C11 Pro:

-Copy/pasted my entire audio SSD (the one where Cubase projects and 3rd party sound files are like IK Media Sample Tank are stored) to an external drive,
-Used a standard backup program (AOMEI) to backup that same audio SSD drive, and the SSD that contains my OS, and the OS itself, to that same external drive,
-Created a bootable USB thumb drive I can boot the computer from if it won’t boot up.

Probably over the top, but I wanted to be sure i could get back to point A if there were any serious problems.

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You can never be over the top with these things!!

Cheers for the tip!

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