I upgraded to 14 and all my projects from 13.040 are 6 db quieter in OUTPUT and DBs - cubase 13 stereo output that averages -3 or -6, now averages -9 or -12. Same settings, everything opens the same.
Is there a setting I am missing?
Most likely it is different Pan Law settings.
Thanks. I wish it were so simple. Both set at Equal Power +6db Pan Law conveyed over to all projects when I upgraded.
Actually, PAN LAW does not work in Cubase 14 - No changes no matter what I set it as. Restart program, restart comp. And VSTIs are missing on projects, not all, just some.
Buggy upgrade. Buggy.
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Have you turned on vst2 scanning. It’s off by default now they are no longer supported.
Taking your previous reply into account I doubt that you understand how the Pan Law works in Cubase. No, this feature is not broken and does what it should.
Missing VSTis? @Grim mentioned it, you need to enable VST2 plugins in the VST Plugin Manager, please.
How did you check the volume of your projects (in C13 and in C14)?
Maybe see if the output was accidentally doubled up in the other version, for example by having an output bus routed to an interface output at the same time as Control Room is using the same signal sending it to the same location (and the new version does not do it).
Or check other parts of the signal chain. If you find nothing start a new project in both 13 and 14 and compare.
How did you check it?
Cool, thanks. VST 2 brought those 3 instruments back, it took a bit to find that button. As for the volume and pan law, 25 year Nuendo/Cubase user and I have never ran into this before. PAN LAW works fine in CB13, but does nothing in CB14. Simple sine wave using my ears. Familiar ATCs. I may re-install.
Use meters.
I did as well. TC clarity. That was the first test before posting.
But using my ears is clear and I know my system well.
As for the rest - Thank you. I appreciate the suggestions, though my projects are simple, low track count (less than 20) The settings are the same and I do not use control room. This is consistent on the last 4 projects, I have been working on - the same DB difference as I have been testing the past hour now. Window 10 PRO 64 Vers. 22H
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I am going to work with CB13 for the rest of the week and get back to this with a fresh install then.
Posting some screenshots would help with troubleshooting, of routing.
Sounds like an idea. You’re the first one with this issue, keep us posted.
Sure. All good here. Screenshots of what precisely? I know the project layouts very well. Let me know what you want to see, but I have good idea what it is already.
Cheers and thanks. Though it does happen. I had a couple serious glitches in 13 (still there now), shared with a very small minority that put them essentially off the ‘problem’ radar despite repeated requests to be fixed.
Well I know you said that you know your system, you trust your ears, and so you don’t see a problem. But saying you used a sine wave and used your ears and then a meter doesn’t tell the rest of us just what you did though. I’m not saying you did this but - I can imagine someone who does not know how it works routing a mono source into a mono group into a stereo out, and then looking at a pre-panning meter on the group not seeing a difference, for example.
So just seeing some pictures with a test tone on a source track and then to the destination track with the settings window open etc. sometimes speaks louder than words.
Sometimes we just don’t know what we are missing. Lord knows I’ve been 100% convinced I did everything right only to discover I missed something trivial.
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Pan Law settings work as expected in Cubase 14 here.
Are you sure your source track is mono?
Thanks, understood. Will do when I have some time tomorrow or Friday. My main concern is the -6db volume drop. I use primarily outboard gear, I troubleshoot volume Gremlins occasionally. But this is not that. I am going to do a single track test on both versions CB13 and CB14, same pre-recorded track, create independent projects for each (not opening CB13 project with CB14) and test tomorrow. On a side, I master with WL12, Pan Law is working fine in WL12 as just quickly tested.
Cheers. Mono track - sine wave. It’s all good, having a couple other hiccups right now. Need to be done for this evening, and re-install tomorrow.
Has anybody figured it out?
I thought maybe my buddies and I were a lil too drunk when first playing with C14 (usually by end of evening the volume is on 11 no matter what the source material) but here I am completely sober by myself doing some busy work and I noticed what is in the pic. The headphone out volume is where it should be (-1.0 db) but the main out volume is significantly lower (maybe -6db?). This is the volume of the signal being sent to the MOTU 1248 which confirms the headphone volume where it should be but the main output quite lower.
Cheers man, I am sorry I have not gotten back to this yet. I ‘sort of’ solved the pan law, but its a work around and similar behavior solutions to issues I had in C13 that were not solved with C14. My own system must have something to do with it, but others shared the same issues.
I have hopes the volume and pan law will get solved with a fresh install or update. My C14 projects are still running -6db lower as well.
I am going to keep using C13 this week.