Cubase 14 Pro. When dragging tracks to the bottom, they disappear

In Cubase 14 Pro when I drag some tracks to the lowest position below all other tracks, the track would disappear.

For example. If I try to drag those two Harp tracks to the bottom, below the Zebra track.

It’s gone. Disappear.

I do this constantly while using Cubase 12 and 13, never experienced this.

Doesn’t happen, here (C14 Pro trial). Actually, there are two cases, when I move two given tracks to the very bottom of the tracklist :

  • If these tracks are disabled, then dragging them is useless : the tracks stay at their initial position after releasing the left mouse button.
  • If these tracks are enabled, they are correctly moved to the bottom of the list.

I would try to relaunch Cubase, eventually in safe mode , using the Disable program preferences option.


EDIT / CORRECTION - What I stated above seems to be true only for MIDI tracks : when doing the same thing, either with instrument or audio tracks, they are correctly moved to the bottom, no matter if they are disabled or not. Strange…
Maybe you could also check what happens in the Track > Visibility panel.

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I can’t replicate it but I’m on Mac so it may not be a bug here. I did the same structure as in your picture.

Did you check if those tracks are not now in another folder, like Strings in your example? Apparently, there’s a mess with folders when people are moving tracks in the Mixer. Maybe it’s related.

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It is a template I made with Cubase 12 and I drag tracks, to the bottom all the time. Activated or inactivated, from inside or outside folders, with or without folders, etc. It never happens on C12 and C13, but constantly on C14.

The move usually succeeds if the mouse pointer is around the right target area when dragging. If it moved very far down beyond the point I wanted, although the bright green line still shows the track’s expected position, they would disappear.

I think it’s a bug because there’s no reason it should behave differently with C12 and C13.

I’m on an MAC OS venture, with an Intel Xeon CPU.

I ran into this same issue. It made me think I was going crazy. I’m on Windows 10. I’ve been using the same template (though modified periodically) for years. Maybe since Cubase 10? 11?

I made a test audio track. I tried to move it to the bottom and it ended up going in a folder (in my case a folder with output channels for maschine). I though it disappeared, but was able to use search to find it.

I haven’t had a chance to try again, but I can at least confirm I’ve seen the same behavior.

Can you use the track search in order to see if the tracks are elsehwere (rather than deleted)? Please also consider to check the visibility tab if the tracks have been made ‘hidden’.
Let us know your results, please.

Turned out it was thrown into a random folder and was folded.

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Yeah annoying

Same issue in 14.0.10 win11.
In my template with lots of folders, my tracks were moved to unexpected place (usually into another random folder) after dragging.
And I found the channel numbers not listed in sequence after dragging, but I’m not sure if this happened in previous version.

Discovered this thread because this is happening to me now in my template. Only when I drag a track to the bottom. I have no filters or visibility agents turned on. What happens invariably is that whatever I drag gets sucked into a few folders above it, the same folder, quite mysteriously. Once there I can drag it out. I have observed I can slowly drag out and then drag things above it (if my aim is to have it toward the bottom that is). But I cannot drag to the bottom without it getting sucked back in, every single time.

What’s crazy is I have backtracked to previous versions of my template from just last week. I found a version where this does not happen at all, leading me to wonder if there is some corruption in the newer project causing this.

The only difference between my newer project and the older one which isn’t causing this grief is the addition of a few hardware synth midi instrument tracks. However, if I delete those tracks from the new template to match the old template, the issue persists, so I’m frustrated wondering if there is something I accidentally toggled that might cause this, or if I should just go back to my old template and build up again from there.

Edit: I noticed if I very gently and slowly drag, and release, it doesn’t get sucked in. Hard to describe what I mean but basically I just have to move barely past the point where you get that long green bar at the bottom. Anywhere beyond that and it disappears. Sounds like a UI bug but… why does it happen on this project and not an older one?!?

I’ve had the same issue in C14 (with all types of tracks) and I have just noticed the tracks get systematically placed right above the last disabled midi track in the project (when dragged to the bottom of the project, not just below the last track). The only case where it doesn’t happen is if you’re dragging the last disabled midi track, then it just doesn’t move because it is the destination.
The glitch still happens with disabled preferences, in an empty project without folders. It’s only when dragging tracks, the “move selected tracks/channels to last available position” shortcut works properly.
So there’s a potential step toward a solution or at least a workaround (not having disabled midi tracks in your template)

Happens here too. Maddening!

Same here, very annoying