First time poster, hello everyone. I have Cubase 14 Pro and a UR44C interface.
Here is my issue. 1. Create a default or empty track and add an audio interface. 2. Add an insert or effect. 3. Toggle monitor and play. This results in NO guitar delay and works perfect. I then try the same thing with a project, add the guitar and there is this odd delay / latency . IF i import the same project tracks into a default or empty project and add the guitar, again the guitar starts to work properly again.
I have tried enabling and disabling control room. setting buffer nothing works in that project. Guitar always has odd delay. But importing the tracks into a default or empty project fixes the delay… what is going on what am I missing or doing wrong?
You probably have plugins with high latency in the project that aren’t in the empty project.
Anything in the monitoring path will affect latency on your guitar…so track insert, group inserts, master inserts.
You can try turning on the constrain delay compensation button to temporarily disable plugs with high latency.
I tested this by loading all the tracks in a default / empty project using the track import and there is NO DELAY so it cannot be plugins as I have only the one plugin as well. All the rest are instrument tracks with no plugins.
Its funny that in its own project there is delay but importing all the same tracks and then adding the audio there is no if I reload it into a default / empty project.
Can you share the project that has the delay (no audio, just cpr)
Also just to be clear…you are talking about playing guitar live through Cubase…not already recorded guitar yes?
It’s not that clear from what you’ve said which is why cubic asked earlier but you didn’t answer.
Just did a quick glance to it, before going to work. Few points :
There are a lot of VSTis involved in your project : sadly, I have none of them. Beside this, maybe the routing could be less convoluted, I don’t know : are all the VCAs and groups channels really necessary ?
I guess that you are using the Track #93 (Audio 01), with your guitar, as it’s the only audio one. So, how do you track your guitar ? I would suggest to use a mono input bus for it, not a stereo one, unless doing a stereo take on an acoustic guitar.
I guess that the McRockin Suite behaves as advertised. This said, do you really need Ozone 10 as a Stereo Out insert when tracking ? AFAIK, it’s a mastering tool, not a tracking one…
Beside this, no perceivable delay, using one of the Hi-Z input that I have at disposal.
Hi Cubic13. Thank you for testing it. I have the groups for and vcas for various tasks but not used so much on this template. More used on my more intense orchestral templates that have 300 - 400 instruments.
Yes 93 is the only audio track. Also doesnt matter what plugin I use either when I get the delay.
Ozone is on the master for mixing / mastering loudness mixdown.
for the guitar audio stereo and mono usually made no difference on the delay so I was experimenting. Usually is in mono as the guitar is mono unless I am using dual delays.
That is what is so confusing. Cubase 14 will be fine and then I add an audio tracks and get the delay when before I didn’t.
But then I import all the tracks to a clean project add an audio and no delay. Something is goofy in Cubase 14 pro as I never used to get that in 13 Pro.
As for the constrain delay I have never had to load it as even with pushing 50 - 100 tracks of instruments all playing at the same time so 10 tracks and one guitar certainly doesn’t strain my system.
Well I’ll just use the import tracks from project into new project whenever this oddity happens, Thank you for your input.
Ozone is on the master for mixing / mastering loudness mixdown.
And does the delay go away if it’s not on the master? Or if you push constrain delay compensation? These are basic troubleshooting steps, arguing that you never needed it before is missing the point completely.
I deleted all the Tracks from the project and all the plugins except for the guitar and I still had the same strange delay. No Ozone no instruments no other plugins except on the guitar and even removing the effects / plugins on the guitar did not change anything
either.
Solution: Imported all the tracks into a new empty project and the audio track now was instant even though I had ozone and other plugins and all the tracks back in.
I’ll try your project when I get home…but as someone else tried and didn’t experience any monitoring delay it probably won’t tell us anything.
Maybe it’s connected to the UR dsp integration somehow.
EDIT: Well actually with Ozone active there is definitely enough latency to feel like a short slapback echo. Remove Ozone (or turn off the Maximiser section) and the latency is gone.
Thanks for the tip @tcpip - same issue here (but Audient interface), cubase 14 pro, one project I could not record audio because of ridiculous delay which no amount of buffer size fiddling, or freezing tracks, could get round.
